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synthasiadale: As you'll see, some of it I can't really explain, so I'm not going to try to
synthasiadale: Just relate it to you to start with and we'll take it from there
synthasiadale: As many of you know, I tried calling several people on my cell phone as I approached the cemetery 
synthasiadale: I managed to talk to a couple of people even though a few others I actually got voicemail for
synthasiadale: Thanks a lot
synthasiadale: just kidding :)
RaynardM: sorry dale
synthasiadale: Is there anyone here I talked to that night?
lorgana1: i am 
vraal1: I didn't hear from you, no.
lorgana1: I'm Michelle (Varin)
lorgana1: you called me at work
synthasiadale: Good, I just wanted to personally thank you, that's all
lorgana1: i guess you found the correct plot#?
lorgana1: no prob
synthasiadale: I had a little trouble finding the actual cemetery plot I was supposed to be at
synthasiadale: As I looked around for it, I couldnt help feeling someone was watching me
synthasiadale: Like someone or something was just at the edge of my sight
synthasiadale: But I could never quite see anything directly
synthasiadale: Does anyone know, is there a limit to the number of people who can be in here?
synthasiadale: I have several people IM'ing me trying to get in but can't
Avrom18: I dont think there is a limit Dale
Avrom18: who are they
synthasiadale: tartanwolf2
synthasiadale: kingofhugs
Eulalie6: you have to be invited .. 
synthasiadale: I tried inviting them
Avrom18: I just did the same
Veen98: the room is full
Eulalie6: hmm
Eulalie6: it does seem there is a limit
jamesidude: this room is full?
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synthasiadale: Sorry for the interruption
Avrom18: thats ok
synthasiadale: I finally found the right plot, even though the name on the stone was worn away and hard to read
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synthasiadale: I had expected a guide or someone to be there to point the way or something but there was no one, just the tombstone and me
synthasiadale: As I crouched before it I heard footsteps coming up behind me
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KingOHugs: whoa
synthasiadale: and turned to see shadowy figures approaching slowly
heartheather73: there might be a limit in AIM
synthasiadale: I couldnt make them out clearly either but felt very threatened by their approach and started to panic
vraal1: Methinks Dale, you should take your next spooky trip with a BlairWitch-esque camera
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synthasiadale: And as I did there was a strange light that seemed to come from within the stone and I was gone suddenly and violently
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synthasiadale: Its hard to describe but next there were a series of images, quickly flashing, and overlapping as they went
synthasiadale: It's almost funny now but I honestly thought "So this is what it's like to die"
synthasiadale: Anyway I saw several things
synthasiadale: A blue figure in blue light walking toward me, with wings like an angel but that made me very very frightened as he came towards me
synthasiadale: A child standing in a doorway, turning to look back at me, before he walked through into blinding red light
synthasiadale: Symbols carved into walls and stones and people's flesh
Eulalie6: ouch
synthasiadale: And watches clocks and timepieces of all sorts from throughout history
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synthasiadale: Suddenly I was in a dark hallway lined on each side by quiet still figures
synthasiadale: On one side were men in long robes, their faces hidden in shadows and each holding their hands or arms in strange somewhat distinctive positions
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synthasiadale: On the other were men in different forms of dress, all with deep dark eyes and silver rings on each of their crossed hands they held before them
vraal1: Sounds like the village people doing the YMCA
Eulalie6: ring raiths
synthasiadale: Without a word they watched me go down the hall, and from the hallway I emerged into a room, an oval sphere of some sort
synthasiadale: As I turned to look back to the hall it was gone and the room filled with some strange liquid that burned my lungs as i breathed it in
synthasiadale: As I fought my way to the surface I saw a beautiful woman dancing atop the waves
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synthasiadale: As she moved her movements caused winds to swirl and from those winds a form took shape
synthasiadale: It was a snake that entwined with her as she danced
synthasiadale: Eventually their forms merged until all that remained was a glowing egglike form
synthasiadale: As it began to crack I found myself somewhere else
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synthasiadale: A valley warm and sunny. There was a young man there, seated on an ebony couch with a crown of flowers around his head
synthasiadale: Behind him sat another man, crouched in a black cloak and dark, shining armor
synthasiadale: His face was deathly white and his eyes focused intently on an hourglass before him
synthasiadale: And then again I was somewhere else
synthasiadale: A dark forest and I'm running sweaty and scared
synthasiadale: Around me, nine ghostly white shapes tinged with red are running furiously, right beside me and getting closer by the moment
synthasiadale: They are herding me towards something and as they get closer I see their ears, burning red like flames and their eyes, black as the night
synthasiadale: And then, somewhere else again, this time the banks of a river
synthasiadale: The river is drying up and there are several swans struggling onto the bank
synthasiadale: There is a woman standing there playing a musical instrument of some kind, singing a sad song lamenting the river's death
synthasiadale: Above her, in the sky are five suns
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synthasiadale: One by one each is extinguished
synthasiadale: Until only one remains
synthasiadale: And then finally
synthasiadale: I am on the shore of a small lake
synthasiadale: It seems to be modern times and I see people walking along and sitting by the lake
synthasiadale: I approach them but no one seems to take notice of me
synthasiadale: And then I recognize one of the people
synthasiadale: It is Diana
synthasiadale: Standing beside the lake with a baby in her arms
synthasiadale: She is crying
synthasiadale: I try to reach for her but it's like I'm not there
synthasiadale: For some reason I close my eyes and when I open them I standing in trees
synthasiadale: And Diana is there again, this time with Meaghan as she was shortly before the accident
synthasiadale: Meaghan is playing on the ground beside Diana as she talks on her cell phone
synthasiadale: I cant hear what she is saying
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synthasiadale: Her back is turned slightly to Meaghan and I see someone else, a young thin girl with pale skin walk up to Meaghan
synthasiadale: Diana seems oblivious to this girl, who squats down besides Meaghan and says, "My little sister. We have so much in common but different paths to walk."
synthasiadale: You will be leaving this world at the same age I came to it, yet we both carry the same burden and promise
synthasiadale: With that Diana seems to take notice of the girl and quickly asks her what she is doing
synthasiadale: To which the young girl replies, "Without guilt you have betrayed him. Protect your daughter. She will need you soon."
synthasiadale: And then I was alone in a small darkened room with this girl with pale skin and large brown eyes
synthasiadale: The room was filled with artwork and sculptures and books 
synthasiadale: The walls themselves were covered everywhere with symbols and pictures, words and phrases
Eulalie6: sarah???
synthasiadale: The girl was looking around cautiously, as if afraid
synthasiadale: I watched her as she carefully took a brush and did something to the bottom of some paintings, as if signing her name
synthasiadale: Next she unwrapped a small object from a cloth
synthasiadale: And then another and another until three items were set before her
synthasiadale: One was a round disc, if not the same, very similar to the one Wes found
synthasiadale: It had symbols on it I couldnt quite make out except for the 7 pointed star in the middle
Avrom18: Dale do you remember what the painting looked like or what the name that was signed said?
synthasiadale: Next to it was a staff or stick of some sort about eight inches long
synthasiadale: Please hold on before asking me questions OK?
Avrom18: oksorry
synthasiadale: At each end was a stone of some type and entwined around it were vines or leaves I think
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synthasiadale: And finally there was a mask of some sort. It seemed to have wings or something coming from the hair and ribbons or threads hanging down around it
synthasiadale: After placing the three objects before her, she turned at last to me and said, "You came seeking a way to find that which you have lost."
synthasiadale: Like the one before me, I have left a means for you to find the way. You must believe. In belief there is power, more than you can even know.
synthasiadale: The nine can move between but have lost their way
synthasiadale: Restore them to what they were and you shall be rewarded
synthasiadale: And then she said "Veritas Occultum" and repeated it three times
synthasiadale: as if to be sure I had heard her right
synthasiadale: Finally, she said, when this is done, these three items will call me and the way will again be opened
synthasiadale: You will find what you have lost
synthasiadale: And that was it, crazy as it sounds
Avrom18: wow you have been through a lot
synthasiadale: Next thing I knew I was waking up in the ashes of my burned out home, and barely managed to make it over to Sam's house
synthasiadale: where i have been since
synthasiadale: Now before I get bombarded with questions as to what it all means
synthasiadale: I havent had a whole lot of time to research any of the strange parts in the beginning; off the top of my head there's nothing that jumps out at me
synthasiadale: Or I should say rings any bells with me
BarbarellaNY: lol
synthasiadale: But the later parts I definitely have ideas about
synthasiadale: Starting with the girl
RaynardM: what are your ideas?
synthasiadale: As many of you have probably guessed I'm pretty sure it was Sarah Wyatt
lirath: Dale, what words/phrases/symbols did you see in Sarah's room?
Eulalie6: ok all i HAVE to sleep please post a transcipt
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synthasiadale: And I'm pretty certain the paintings she was working on were the ones that Phyllis supposedly found in that old trunk
synthasiadale: Just like I think that the disc she made was the one Wes found in the Pine Barrens
synthasiadale: And obviously, the Latin phrase she repeated "Veritas Occultum", seems to be taken directly from the manuscript pages from the same trunk
KingOHugs: Dale, you said she told you "the nine have lost their way"...any thoughts?  we're guessing these are the guids, yo useem to have the most contact with them...any idea WHAT they need help with?
synthasiadale: Keep your questions for just a couple more minutes please and then I'll trey and answer them
KingOHugs: of course
synthasiadale: Just a couple more things I want to point out
synthasiadale: I'm thinking that Sarah is obviously pointing us towards the manuscript page from that trunk and I'm thinking we need to get our hands on it somehow
synthasiadale: In the same way it seems that the disc is significant in some way
synthasiadale: I sure which Wes hadn't sold it
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synthasiadale: Thats why I really want to get into that safe
LittleShortGuy99: hello!
synthasiadale: To help us track down the disc
synthasiadale: But it seems once again, Wes might have been too clever for his own good
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vraal1: ah so you've seen his... notes.
synthasiadale: Yes of course
synthasiadale: But I havent gotten anywhere with it either yet
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synthasiadale: The one thing that I wanted to be sure to say is this
synthasiadale: I asked the guides for "a way to find my family" and was expecting to be able to see them or talk to them at least, Diana and Meaghan, I mean
synthasiadale: Instead, I got again exactly what I asked for - a way to find them only, not Diana and Meaghan themselves
synthasiadale: It seems these guides either play by the same rules as "the Wish" or at least share the same twisted sense of humor
synthasiadale: I guess what I'm trying to say is be careful in your dealings with them. They seem to have their own agenda in all of this
synthasiadale: Now, I know that was way long. Whose got questions for me?
BarbarellaNY: Dale
lirath: hi dale - can you describe the phrases, words and symbols in Sarah's room?
BarbarellaNY: when you first saw Diana with the baby
BarbarellaNY: was that Meagan as an infant?
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synthasiadale: the first question is tough, the walls, ceilings, floor, etc of the room the girl was in was literally covered with stuff and very dark
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synthasiadale: I cant pick anything out of my memory that stands out, sorry
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synthasiadale: I'm not sure if the baby Diana was holding was Meaghan, I mean I think so but her back was somewhat turned to me and Diana seemed somehow different to me
KyraSplash: Where is Sam? Any ideas yet on how to get Wes back or where he's gone?
BarbarellaNY: How different dale
synthasiadale: Its strange, the way Diana looked by that lake
BarbarellaNY: ?
synthasiadale: It wasnt like anytime I can remember her looking since we have been togther
synthasiadale: I cant put my finger on any one thing though
BarbarellaNY: hmmm
synthasiadale: Sam
BarbarellaNY: not your memories from when Meaghan was born?
synthasiadale: Sam has been doing a little snooping trying to help us solve Wes' safe puzzle
Dashcat7: Dale, who do you think the nine are? Are they the Guides? And who are the "numbered ones"
synthasiadale: No to your question Barbarella
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the42guy: Dale, do you think the nine... give a certain significance to the mystery graffiti?
synthasiadale: Dashcat: I dont think the nine are the guides
synthasiadale: For some reason I think the guides may be the people in robes on the one side of the hallway i went through
Gupfee: was digitalis there?
synthasiadale: You have been paying attention :) 
Gupfee: we got email from digitalis, a guide, and he said something about the "2nd ring"
synthasiadale: One of the figures on that side Im pretty sure was digitalis even though a hood obscured his face somewhat
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Gupfee: did all the guides have 6 fingers?
synthasiadale: No i dont think so but i couldnt see all their hands
RaynardM: on that note, do you remember the "distinctive positions" their hands were in?
the42guy: back to the 9 more a second, do you think that could be what the graffiti means?
synthasiadale: What I meant by that was that each one had something unusual or different about at least one of their hands
KyraSplash: Dale - what is the Human Interface Project? and have you contacted Peter Pfishtrap?
synthasiadale: hold on too many questions at once
synthasiadale: lol
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SilverEyedDevine: ^_^ overwhelmed people i guess 
Gupfee: finish up your thoughts about the guides, please
synthasiadale: i clearly saw at last one of the figures with six fingers on one hand, another was missing his entire hand
BarbarellaNY: what was different about the hands
synthasiadale: others had unusual deformities, like hands permanently cramped into fists or claw sjaped forms
synthasiadale: shaped*
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heartheather73: arthritic hands like the photo at the library
synthasiadale: But back to the point, there were more than nine of them
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synthasiadale: on that side of the hall
SilverEyedDevine: more?
synthasiadale: so if they are the guides, which i think they are, they are not the nine
the42guy: do you think the dead eyes are the nine and if it has any relevance to the graffiti?
synthasiadale: Now someone asked about the numbered ones and the second ring
synthasiadale: this actually ties into your question too 42guy
the42guy: cool
synthasiadale: From the guides message about Wes, I'm assuming the "numbered ones" are the same ones that Wes had been calling the dead eyes
synthasiadale: The same people or beings leaving the strange graffiti symbol
SilverEyedDevine: the ones all around us?
synthasiadale: But again, I think they were the figures on the other side of the hallway from the guides
synthasiadale: And there  were more than nine of them I think. I think I counted at least ten there although like I said before they were all dressed slightly differently from each other
synthasiadale: And I'm not certain I counted correctly
synthasiadale: One thing I noticed though
synthasiadale: they all seemed to have the strange ringlike graffiti symbol somewhere on them
heartheather73: Dale, I have been in contact with Bruce for over a month now, and he is very worried and upset that you won't answer his calls or email. Is there a reason you are ignoring your once best friend?
synthasiadale: Once again, that is a tough question and I'm not sure how to answer it.
heartheather73: in what ever way you can. 
Sandra ctw: btw, not all of us trust Bruce. 
synthasiadale: Let me just go over some facts with you first that may explain what's going on
synthasiadale: I have known Bruce for years
synthasiadale: We have shared many things
synthasiadale: And relied on each other through many tough times
synthasiadale: Bruce's face was the first thing I saw when I opened my eyes after the "accident"
synthasiadale: But
heartheather73: that must have been tough, to hear bad news from your best friend.
SilverEyedDevine: ...yeah
synthasiadale: When I was in Klepsydra something happened
synthasiadale: You know, that mental facility I was in?
Sandra ctw: We know.
synthasiadale: I reached a point where I realized that, no matter how much I believed in my story, no one else ever would.
synthasiadale: Christ, it still sounds crazy even to me :)
Avrom18: Dale we recieved a letter from Digitails which mentioned that there is a betrayer that caused Wes to dissapear . Do you have any idea whom this might be?
heartheather73: bruce has admitted having a very tough time understanding your version.
synthasiadale: So I decided to do whatever I needed to to get out of there
heartheather73: but he really wants to talk to you. please send him email.
synthasiadale: and prove I was right
SilverEyedDevine: it's people like him that riticles other people.. all of us believe you Dale.
synthasiadale: Please let me finish
Avrom18: sorry dale we will all wait our turn when you give the goahead we will go oneby one 
synthasiadale: One day while in Klepsydra I asked the doctors to call Bruce in for a meeting, since he was my legal guardian at that point
synthasiadale: In a private room with Bruce I told him that I had come to my senses and realized it was just the trauma I had gone through making me believe those things
synthasiadale: And I asked him to get me out of there
synthasiadale: He looked me right in my eyes and said "Of course, Dale, that's wonderful."
synthasiadale: And then left.
synthasiadale: After sitting there a few hours thinking I was going to be released I finally asked the doctors.
synthasiadale: They told me Bruce didn't say anything about my change of mental state, and instead asked them how long I could be held
SilverEyedDevine: ....evil.. thats completely evil
synthasiadale: He refused to take any of my calls the rest of the time I was there after that
Sandra ctw: Interesting.
SilverEyedDevine: interesting and deceptive... 
synthasiadale: It wasnt until you people found the movie clips from the park that the doctors finally agreed to release me
synthasiadale: One point in all fairness
synthasiadale: Bruce has since told me he did everything out of concern for me
synthasiadale: Including keeping me in Klepsydra to keep me away from the Marzano's
heartheather73: the Marzanos were after your hide, meaning you harm.
synthasiadale: But until I can sit down and look him in the eyes and ask questions, I'm not taking any chances
heartheather73: then have a sit down with him.
SilverEyedDevine: that doesn't matter, Bruce coulda keep Dale elsewhere... 
heartheather73: take Sam with you.
Sandra ctw: Mind if we ask him questions? :-) 
RaynardM: we assume they still are after you. thoughts on that? have you contacted them? 
synthasiadale: My major concern with Bruce right now is exactly that - his connections to the Marzano's
heartheather73: he claims YOU brought them to AnonymousFame.
synthasiadale: They are definitely still looking for me
SilverEyedDevine: i can definately see strong connections there.
Sandra ctw: Dale, who brought them in as clients at AF?
synthasiadale: Let me just say this, the Marzano's provided the initial funding for AnonymousFame, just like Synthasia. And Bruce brought me into AF after it was started
Avrom18: Dale for your information: I am going to speak first than Dash followed by Maggie and than Kyra here is my question
Avrom18: Dale we recieved a letter from Digitails which mentioned that there is a betrayer that caused Wes to dissapear . Do you have any idea whom that might be?
Sandra ctw: Thank you, Dale. 
synthasiadale: I dont know who alerted the dead eyes or numbered ones to the location of my return
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[20:43] synthasiadale: As you'll see, some of it I can't really explain, so I'm not going to try to
[20:43] synthasiadale: Just relate it to you to start with and we'll take it from there
[20:44] synthasiadale: As many of you know, I tried calling several people on my cell phone as I approached the cemetery 
[20:44] synthasiadale: I managed to talk to a couple of people even though a few others I actually got voicemail for
[20:44] synthasiadale: Thanks a lot
[20:44] synthasiadale: just kidding :)
[20:44] RaynardM: sorry dale
[20:45] synthasiadale: Is there anyone here I talked to that night?
[20:45] lorgana1: i am 
[20:45] vraal1: I didn't hear from you, no.
[20:45] lorgana1: I'm Michelle (Varin)
[20:45] lorgana1: you called me at work
[20:45] synthasiadale: Good, I just wanted to personally thank you, that's all
[20:45] lorgana1: i guess you found the correct plot#?
[20:46] lorgana1: no prob
[20:46] synthasiadale: I had a little trouble finding the actual cemetery plot I was supposed to be at
[20:47] synthasiadale: As I looked around for it, I couldnt help feeling someone was watching me
[20:48] synthasiadale: Like someone or something was just at the edge of my sight
[20:48] synthasiadale: But I could never quite see anything directly
[20:49] synthasiadale: Does anyone know, is there a limit to the number of people who can be in here?
[20:50] synthasiadale: I have several people IM'ing me trying to get in but can't
[20:50] Avrom18: I dont think there is a limit Dale
[20:50] Avrom18: who are they
[20:50] synthasiadale: tartanwolf2
[20:50] synthasiadale: kingofhugs
[20:50] Eulalie6: you have to be invited .. 
[20:50] synthasiadale: I tried inviting them
[20:50] Avrom18: I just did the same
[20:50] Veen98: the room is full
[20:51] Eulalie6: hmm
[20:51] Eulalie6: it does seem there is a limit
[20:51] jamesidude: this room is full?
[20:51] * jamesidude clears up some space
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[20:51] synthasiadale: Sorry for the interruption
[20:51] Avrom18: thats ok
[20:52] synthasiadale: I finally found the right plot, even though the name on the stone was worn away and hard to read
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[20:53] synthasiadale: I had expected a guide or someone to be there to point the way or something but there was no one, just the tombstone and me
[20:53] synthasiadale: As I crouched before it I heard footsteps coming up behind me
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[20:54] KingOHugs: whoa
[20:54] synthasiadale: and turned to see shadowy figures approaching slowly
[20:54] heartheather73: there might be a limit in AIM
[20:54] synthasiadale: I couldnt make them out clearly either but felt very threatened by their approach and started to panic
[20:55] vraal1: Methinks Dale, you should take your next spooky trip with a BlairWitch-esque camera
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[20:55] synthasiadale: And as I did there was a strange light that seemed to come from within the stone and I was gone suddenly and violently
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[20:56] synthasiadale: Its hard to describe but next there were a series of images, quickly flashing, and overlapping as they went
[20:57] synthasiadale: It's almost funny now but I honestly thought "So this is what it's like to die"
[20:57] synthasiadale: Anyway I saw several things
[20:59] synthasiadale: A blue figure in blue light walking toward me, with wings like an angel but that made me very very frightened as he came towards me
[20:59] synthasiadale: A child standing in a doorway, turning to look back at me, before he walked through into blinding red light
[21:00] synthasiadale: Symbols carved into walls and stones and people's flesh
[21:00] Eulalie6: ouch
[21:01] synthasiadale: And watches clocks and timepieces of all sorts from throughout history
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[21:02] synthasiadale: Suddenly I was in a dark hallway lined on each side by quiet still figures
[21:03] synthasiadale: On one side were men in long robes, their faces hidden in shadows and each holding their hands or arms in strange somewhat distinctive positions
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[21:04] synthasiadale: On the other were men in different forms of dress, all with deep dark eyes and silver rings on each of their crossed hands they held before them
[21:04] vraal1: Sounds like the village people doing the YMCA
[21:04] Eulalie6: ring raiths
[21:05] synthasiadale: Without a word they watched me go down the hall, and from the hallway I emerged into a room, an oval sphere of some sort
[21:06] synthasiadale: As I turned to look back to the hall it was gone and the room filled with some strange liquid that burned my lungs as i breathed it in
[21:07] synthasiadale: As I fought my way to the surface I saw a beautiful woman dancing atop the waves
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[21:07] synthasiadale: As she moved her movements caused winds to swirl and from those winds a form took shape
[21:08] synthasiadale: It was a snake that entwined with her as she danced
[21:08] synthasiadale: Eventually their forms merged until all that remained was a glowing egglike form
[21:09] synthasiadale: As it began to crack I found myself somewhere else
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[21:10] synthasiadale: A valley warm and sunny. There was a young man there, seated on an ebony couch with a crown of flowers around his head
[21:10] synthasiadale: Behind him sat another man, crouched in a black cloak and dark, shining armor
[21:11] synthasiadale: His face was deathly white and his eyes focused intently on an hourglass before him
[21:11] synthasiadale: And then again I was somewhere else
[21:12] synthasiadale: A dark forest and I'm running sweaty and scared
[21:12] synthasiadale: Around me, nine ghostly white shapes tinged with red are running furiously, right beside me and getting closer by the moment
[21:14] synthasiadale: They are herding me towards something and as they get closer I see their ears, burning red like flames and their eyes, black as the night
[21:15] synthasiadale: And then, somewhere else again, this time the banks of a river
[21:16] synthasiadale: The river is drying up and there are several swans struggling onto the bank
[21:16] synthasiadale: There is a woman standing there playing a musical instrument of some kind, singing a sad song lamenting the river's death
[21:16] synthasiadale: Above her, in the sky are five suns
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[21:17] synthasiadale: One by one each is extinguished
[21:17] synthasiadale: Until only one remains
[21:17] synthasiadale: And then finally
[21:17] synthasiadale: I am on the shore of a small lake
[21:18] synthasiadale: It seems to be modern times and I see people walking along and sitting by the lake
[21:18] synthasiadale: I approach them but no one seems to take notice of me
[21:18] synthasiadale: And then I recognize one of the people
[21:19] synthasiadale: It is Diana
[21:19] synthasiadale: Standing beside the lake with a baby in her arms
[21:19] synthasiadale: She is crying
[21:19] synthasiadale: I try to reach for her but it's like I'm not there
[21:20] synthasiadale: For some reason I close my eyes and when I open them I standing in trees
[21:20] synthasiadale: And Diana is there again, this time with Meaghan as she was shortly before the accident
[21:21] synthasiadale: Meaghan is playing on the ground beside Diana as she talks on her cell phone
[21:21] synthasiadale: I cant hear what she is saying
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[21:22] synthasiadale: Her back is turned slightly to Meaghan and I see someone else, a young thin girl with pale skin walk up to Meaghan
[21:23] synthasiadale: Diana seems oblivious to this girl, who squats down besides Meaghan and says, "My little sister. We have so much in common but different paths to walk."
[21:24] synthasiadale: You will be leaving this world at the same age I came to it, yet we both carry the same burden and promise
[21:24] synthasiadale: With that Diana seems to take notice of the girl and quickly asks her what she is doing
[21:26] synthasiadale: To which the young girl replies, "Without guilt you have betrayed him. Protect your daughter. She will need you soon."
[21:27] synthasiadale: And then I was alone in a small darkened room with this girl with pale skin and large brown eyes
[21:28] synthasiadale: The room was filled with artwork and sculptures and books 
[21:28] synthasiadale: The walls themselves were covered everywhere with symbols and pictures, words and phrases
[21:28] Eulalie6: sarah???
[21:29] synthasiadale: The girl was looking around cautiously, as if afraid
[21:30] synthasiadale: I watched her as she carefully took a brush and did something to the bottom of some paintings, as if signing her name
[21:30] synthasiadale: Next she unwrapped a small object from a cloth
[21:31] synthasiadale: And then another and another until three items were set before her
[21:31] synthasiadale: One was a round disc, if not the same, very similar to the one Wes found
[21:32] synthasiadale: It had symbols on it I couldnt quite make out except for the 7 pointed star in the middle
[21:32] Avrom18: Dale do you remember what the painting looked like or what the name that was signed said?
[21:32] synthasiadale: Next to it was a staff or stick of some sort about eight inches long
[21:33] synthasiadale: Please hold on before asking me questions OK?
[21:33] Avrom18: oksorry
[21:33] synthasiadale: At each end was a stone of some type and entwined around it were vines or leaves I think
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[21:35] synthasiadale: And finally there was a mask of some sort. It seemed to have wings or something coming from the hair and ribbons or threads hanging down around it
[21:36] synthasiadale: After placing the three objects before her, she turned at last to me and said, "You came seeking a way to find that which you have lost."
[21:38] synthasiadale: Like the one before me, I have left a means for you to find the way. You must believe. In belief there is power, more than you can even know.
[21:38] synthasiadale: The nine can move between but have lost their way
[21:39] synthasiadale: Restore them to what they were and you shall be rewarded
[21:40] synthasiadale: And then she said "Veritas Occultum" and repeated it three times
[21:40] synthasiadale: as if to be sure I had heard her right
[21:41] synthasiadale: Finally, she said, when this is done, these three items will call me and the way will again be opened
[21:41] synthasiadale: You will find what you have lost
[21:42] synthasiadale: And that was it, crazy as it sounds
[21:42] Avrom18: wow you have been through a lot
[21:42] synthasiadale: Next thing I knew I was waking up in the ashes of my burned out home, and barely managed to make it over to Sam's house
[21:42] synthasiadale: where i have been since
[21:43] synthasiadale: Now before I get bombarded with questions as to what it all means
[21:44] synthasiadale: I havent had a whole lot of time to research any of the strange parts in the beginning; off the top of my head there's nothing that jumps out at me
[21:44] synthasiadale: Or I should say rings any bells with me
[21:44] BarbarellaNY: lol
[21:45] synthasiadale: But the later parts I definitely have ideas about
[21:45] synthasiadale: Starting with the girl
[21:45] RaynardM: what are your ideas?
[21:45] synthasiadale: As many of you have probably guessed I'm pretty sure it was Sarah Wyatt
[21:46] lirath: Dale, what words/phrases/symbols did you see in Sarah's room?
[21:46] Eulalie6: ok all i HAVE to sleep please post a transcipt
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[21:46] synthasiadale: And I'm pretty certain the paintings she was working on were the ones that Phyllis supposedly found in that old trunk
[21:47] synthasiadale: Just like I think that the disc she made was the one Wes found in the Pine Barrens
[21:48] synthasiadale: And obviously, the Latin phrase she repeated "Veritas Occultum", seems to be taken directly from the manuscript pages from the same trunk
[21:48] KingOHugs: Dale, you said she told you "the nine have lost their way"...any thoughts?  we're guessing these are the guids, yo useem to have the most contact with them...any idea WHAT they need help with?
[21:48] synthasiadale: Keep your questions for just a couple more minutes please and then I'll trey and answer them
[21:49] KingOHugs: of course
[21:49] synthasiadale: Just a couple more things I want to point out
[21:50] synthasiadale: I'm thinking that Sarah is obviously pointing us towards the manuscript page from that trunk and I'm thinking we need to get our hands on it somehow
[21:50] synthasiadale: In the same way it seems that the disc is significant in some way
[21:50] synthasiadale: I sure which Wes hadn't sold it
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[21:51] synthasiadale: Thats why I really want to get into that safe
[21:51] LittleShortGuy99: hello!
[21:51] synthasiadale: To help us track down the disc
[21:52] synthasiadale: But it seems once again, Wes might have been too clever for his own good
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[21:52] vraal1: ah so you've seen his... notes.
[21:52] synthasiadale: Yes of course
[21:53] synthasiadale: But I havent gotten anywhere with it either yet
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[21:53] synthasiadale: The one thing that I wanted to be sure to say is this
[21:54] synthasiadale: I asked the guides for "a way to find my family" and was expecting to be able to see them or talk to them at least, Diana and Meaghan, I mean
[21:55] synthasiadale: Instead, I got again exactly what I asked for - a way to find them only, not Diana and Meaghan themselves
[21:55] synthasiadale: It seems these guides either play by the same rules as "the Wish" or at least share the same twisted sense of humor
[21:56] synthasiadale: I guess what I'm trying to say is be careful in your dealings with them. They seem to have their own agenda in all of this
[21:56] synthasiadale: Now, I know that was way long. Whose got questions for me?
[21:57] BarbarellaNY: Dale
[21:57] lirath: hi dale - can you describe the phrases, words and symbols in Sarah's room?
[21:57] BarbarellaNY: when you first saw Diana with the baby
[21:57] BarbarellaNY: was that Meagan as an infant?
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[21:58] synthasiadale: the first question is tough, the walls, ceilings, floor, etc of the room the girl was in was literally covered with stuff and very dark
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[21:58] synthasiadale: I cant pick anything out of my memory that stands out, sorry
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[21:59] synthasiadale: I'm not sure if the baby Diana was holding was Meaghan, I mean I think so but her back was somewhat turned to me and Diana seemed somehow different to me
[21:59] KyraSplash: Where is Sam? Any ideas yet on how to get Wes back or where he's gone?
[22:00] BarbarellaNY: How different dale
[22:00] synthasiadale: Its strange, the way Diana looked by that lake
[22:00] BarbarellaNY: ?
[22:00] synthasiadale: It wasnt like anytime I can remember her looking since we have been togther
[22:01] synthasiadale: I cant put my finger on any one thing though
[22:01] BarbarellaNY: hmmm
[22:01] synthasiadale: Sam
[22:01] BarbarellaNY: not your memories from when Meaghan was born?
[22:01] synthasiadale: Sam has been doing a little snooping trying to help us solve Wes' safe puzzle
[22:01] Dashcat7: Dale, who do you think the nine are? Are they the Guides? And who are the "numbered ones"
[22:01] synthasiadale: No to your question Barbarella
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[22:02] the42guy: Dale, do you think the nine... give a certain significance to the mystery graffiti?
[22:02] synthasiadale: Dashcat: I dont think the nine are the guides
[22:03] synthasiadale: For some reason I think the guides may be the people in robes on the one side of the hallway i went through
[22:03] Gupfee: was digitalis there?
[22:04] synthasiadale: You have been paying attention :) 
[22:04] Gupfee: we got email from digitalis, a guide, and he said something about the "2nd ring"
[22:04] synthasiadale: One of the figures on that side Im pretty sure was digitalis even though a hood obscured his face somewhat
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[22:04] Gupfee: did all the guides have 6 fingers?
[22:05] synthasiadale: No i dont think so but i couldnt see all their hands
[22:05] RaynardM: on that note, do you remember the "distinctive positions" their hands were in?
[22:05] the42guy: back to the 9 more a second, do you think that could be what the graffiti means?
[22:06] synthasiadale: What I meant by that was that each one had something unusual or different about at least one of their hands
[22:06] KyraSplash: Dale - what is the Human Interface Project? and have you contacted Peter Pfishtrap?
[22:06] synthasiadale: hold on too many questions at once
[22:06] synthasiadale: lol
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[22:06] SilverEyedDevine: ^_^ overwhelmed people i guess 
[22:06] Gupfee: finish up your thoughts about the guides, please
[22:07] synthasiadale: i clearly saw at last one of the figures with six fingers on one hand, another was missing his entire hand
[22:07] BarbarellaNY: what was different about the hands
[22:07] synthasiadale: others had unusual deformities, like hands permanently cramped into fists or claw sjaped forms
[22:07] synthasiadale: shaped*
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[22:08] heartheather73: arthritic hands like the photo at the library
[22:08] synthasiadale: But back to the point, there were more than nine of them
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[22:08] synthasiadale: on that side of the hall
[22:08] SilverEyedDevine: more?
[22:08] synthasiadale: so if they are the guides, which i think they are, they are not the nine
[22:09] the42guy: do you think the dead eyes are the nine and if it has any relevance to the graffiti?
[22:09] synthasiadale: Now someone asked about the numbered ones and the second ring
[22:09] synthasiadale: this actually ties into your question too 42guy
[22:10] the42guy: cool
[22:10] synthasiadale: From the guides message about Wes, I'm assuming the "numbered ones" are the same ones that Wes had been calling the dead eyes
[22:11] synthasiadale: The same people or beings leaving the strange graffiti symbol
[22:11] SilverEyedDevine: the ones all around us?
[22:11] synthasiadale: But again, I think they were the figures on the other side of the hallway from the guides
[22:12] synthasiadale: And there  were more than nine of them I think. I think I counted at least ten there although like I said before they were all dressed slightly differently from each other
[22:13] synthasiadale: And I'm not certain I counted correctly
[22:13] synthasiadale: One thing I noticed though
[22:14] synthasiadale: they all seemed to have the strange ringlike graffiti symbol somewhere on them
[22:14] heartheather73: Dale, I have been in contact with Bruce for over a month now, and he is very worried and upset that you won't answer his calls or email. Is there a reason you are ignoring your once best friend?
[22:15] synthasiadale: Once again, that is a tough question and I'm not sure how to answer it.
[22:16] heartheather73: in what ever way you can. 
[22:16] Sandra ctw: btw, not all of us trust Bruce. 
[22:16] synthasiadale: Let me just go over some facts with you first that may explain what's going on
[22:17] synthasiadale: I have known Bruce for years
[22:17] synthasiadale: We have shared many things
[22:17] synthasiadale: And relied on each other through many tough times
[22:18] synthasiadale: Bruce's face was the first thing I saw when I opened my eyes after the "accident"
[22:18] synthasiadale: But
[22:18] heartheather73: that must have been tough, to hear bad news from your best friend.
[22:18] SilverEyedDevine: ...yeah
[22:18] synthasiadale: When I was in Klepsydra something happened
[22:19] synthasiadale: You know, that mental facility I was in?
[22:19] Sandra ctw: We know.
[22:19] synthasiadale: I reached a point where I realized that, no matter how much I believed in my story, no one else ever would.
[22:20] synthasiadale: Christ, it still sounds crazy even to me :)
[22:20] Avrom18: Dale we recieved a letter from Digitails which mentioned that there is a betrayer that caused Wes to dissapear . Do you have any idea whom this might be?
[22:20] heartheather73: bruce has admitted having a very tough time understanding your version.
[22:20] synthasiadale: So I decided to do whatever I needed to to get out of there
[22:20] heartheather73: but he really wants to talk to you. please send him email.
[22:20] synthasiadale: and prove I was right
[22:20] SilverEyedDevine: it's people like him that riticles other people.. all of us believe you Dale.
[22:20] synthasiadale: Please let me finish
[22:21] Avrom18: sorry dale we will all wait our turn when you give the goahead we will go oneby one 
[22:21] synthasiadale: One day while in Klepsydra I asked the doctors to call Bruce in for a meeting, since he was my legal guardian at that point
[22:22] synthasiadale: In a private room with Bruce I told him that I had come to my senses and realized it was just the trauma I had gone through making me believe those things
[22:23] synthasiadale: And I asked him to get me out of there
[22:23] synthasiadale: He looked me right in my eyes and said "Of course, Dale, that's wonderful."
[22:23] synthasiadale: And then left.
[22:24] synthasiadale: After sitting there a few hours thinking I was going to be released I finally asked the doctors.
[22:24] synthasiadale: They told me Bruce didn't say anything about my change of mental state, and instead asked them how long I could be held
[22:25] SilverEyedDevine: ....evil.. thats completely evil
[22:25] synthasiadale: He refused to take any of my calls the rest of the time I was there after that
[22:25] Sandra ctw: Interesting.
[22:25] SilverEyedDevine: interesting and deceptive... 
[22:25] synthasiadale: It wasnt until you people found the movie clips from the park that the doctors finally agreed to release me
[22:26] synthasiadale: One point in all fairness
[22:26] synthasiadale: Bruce has since told me he did everything out of concern for me
[22:26] synthasiadale: Including keeping me in Klepsydra to keep me away from the Marzano's
[22:27] heartheather73: the Marzanos were after your hide, meaning you harm.
[22:27] synthasiadale: But until I can sit down and look him in the eyes and ask questions, I'm not taking any chances
[22:27] heartheather73: then have a sit down with him.
[22:27] SilverEyedDevine: that doesn't matter, Bruce coulda keep Dale elsewhere... 
[22:27] heartheather73: take Sam with you.
[22:27] Sandra ctw: Mind if we ask him questions? :-) 
[22:27] RaynardM: we assume they still are after you. thoughts on that? have you contacted them? 
[22:28] synthasiadale: My major concern with Bruce right now is exactly that - his connections to the Marzano's
[22:28] heartheather73: he claims YOU brought them to AnonymousFame.
[22:28] synthasiadale: They are definitely still looking for me
[22:28] SilverEyedDevine: i can definately see strong connections there.
[22:29] Sandra ctw: Dale, who brought them in as clients at AF?
[22:29] synthasiadale: Let me just say this, the Marzano's provided the initial funding for AnonymousFame, just like Synthasia. And Bruce brought me into AF after it was started
[22:30] Avrom18: Dale for your information: I am going to speak first than Dash followed by Maggie and than Kyra here is my question
[22:30] Avrom18: Dale we recieved a letter from Digitails which mentioned that there is a betrayer that caused Wes to dissapear . Do you have any idea whom that might be?
[22:30] Sandra ctw: Thank you, Dale. 
[22:31] synthasiadale: I dont know who alerted the dead eyes or numbered ones to the location of my return
[22:31] synthasiadale: For all we know it could be one of you
[22:31] synthasiadale: But we cant live in fear over it
[22:32] synthasiadale: We need to do something to find Wes instead
[22:32] synthasiadale: He seems to almost have anticipated something happening
[22:32] synthasiadale: That's why I think there may be something in his safe besides that notebook he mentioned
[22:32] SilverEyedDevine: yes, he seems to be a very perceptive man
[22:33] KyraSplash: we need him back
[22:33] synthasiadale: He seemed to think he may have found out who the "numbered ones" are
[22:33] synthasiadale: you know, the obscure book reference
[22:33] synthasiadale: Which is why Sam went to poke around the Library records tonight
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[22:34] synthasiadale: to see if Wes had taken out any "obscure" books lately
[22:34] maggiaem: Dale, those of us who have your 13 items are keeping them safe.  Do you have any ideas yet as to how they should be used or what we should be doing with them?
[22:36] synthasiadale: No thats something I'm still puzzled about
[22:36] synthasiadale: I have no idea who could have sent them to Meaghan or why
[22:36] maggiaem: Could it have been Sarah?
[22:37] maggiaem: She *did* call Meaghan 'little sister'...
[22:37] synthasiadale: Thats obviously a possibility; I can only assume they might mean something more as we go
[22:37] KyraSplash: Dale - could you go back a little bit...I was wondering what the Human Interface Project is? and have you contacted Peter Pfishtrap?
[22:37] maggiaem: *hugs* thanks Dale.  We will continue to guard them.
[22:38] synthasiadale: Ah, the Human Interface Project is something I was working on before all this started
[22:39] synthasiadale: Its basically an attempt to create an easy to use human "guide" for websites, business projects etc
[22:39] KyraSplash: that peter guy seems anxious to talk to you
[22:40] synthasiadale: By filming and digitizing a "talking head" and then incorporating into a "chatbot" type program, I was hoping to create an interactive navigation system
[22:40] SilverEyedDevine: and this urgency has been so recent, he seemed to appear out of the blue, and then emailling you the very next day, expressing his concern
[22:41] synthasiadale: you know, as your mosue rolled over certain things the guide would actually speak and explain things to you
[22:41] KyraSplash: good idea dale
[22:41] synthasiadale: I shopped the concept around to several people
[22:41] synthasiadale: Peter (Fishtrap is not his name BTW lol) was very interested in it for a project he was doing
[22:42] synthasiadale: A project that was very interesting in it's own right
[22:42] SilverEyedDevine: any idea why peter may be so concerned about HIP all of a sudden?
[22:43] synthasiadale: But unfortunately I'm under a NDA not to discuss it, that's why he was so upset with people reading my e-mail
[22:43] synthasiadale: I can tell you this though
[22:43] synthasiadale: His project involved an online component that he was interested in using the HIP for
[22:44] synthasiadale: but he was also on some kind of personal timeline for his project
[22:44] synthasiadale: I had kind of promised him I would be working on it by now
[22:44] synthasiadale: But as you know I've been kind of busy
[22:44] synthasiadale: I have a question for all of you before I go (it is getting late, at least here in Jersey)
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[22:44] the42guy: Dale, Sam found a note on your calender that said "Dale" and "Castle Green Rd." - What does that mean?  Who lives there, and where is it?
[22:45] Avrom18: An anonomous member of the group has asked "Do you think that the 13 items relate to a magical or witches circle and could we be expected to use it against the 9"
[22:45] synthasiadale: I'm pretty sure Sam already mentioned in an e-mail that neither of us know the significance of CASTLE GREEN RD
[22:45] synthasiadale: It doesnt seem to be a local address
[22:46] the42guy: why'd you wirte iet down? or did it just appeaR?
[22:46] the42guy: ignore my typos.  :-[
[22:46] synthasiadale: write what down? CASTLE GREEN RD?
[22:46] the42guy: ssorry, wes wrote it down
[22:46] the42guy: right?
[22:46] synthasiadale: I didnt write it down, Wes did. On  his deskpad, yes
[22:47] synthasiadale: Now back to my question
[22:47] the42guy: do you think the capitalization means anything?
[22:47] the42guy: okay, sorry
[22:47] synthasiadale: I dont know
[22:47] the42guy: okay
[22:47] synthasiadale: about the capitals that is
[22:47] the42guy: thank you so much
[22:48] Avrom18: FINAL QUESTION An anonomous member of the group has asked "Do you think that the 13 items relate to a magical or witches circle and could we be expected to use it against the 9"
[22:49] synthasiadale: I dont know what the 13 items are for yet, sorry
[22:49] Avrom18: and you said you had one finalquestion for us what would this be
[22:50] synthasiadale: Has anyone managed to figure out any of the strange symbols on either the manuscript page or the disc Wes found? Some of them seem very familiar but I haven't found exact matches yet, except of course for the seven pointed star
[22:50] synthasiadale: That seems to be a pretty common symbol in fantasy and faery related literature
[22:50] Gupfee: the symbols on the disk are too hard to make out
[22:51] Gupfee: we have never seen a clean image of it
[22:51] heartheather73: the symbols on the front of the manuscript page look an awful lot like the old shorthand that secretaries used when taking dictation.
[22:51] Becca MacT: I think we're in the same boat as far as finding similarities but no matches. But learned a helluva lot in the process:)
[22:51] BarbarellaNY: I keep thinking I have seen some of  the manuscrpt ones, but others don't fit
[22:51] synthasiadale: has anyone found any relevance to the fairy connection?
[22:51] Prettycolors62: I was wondering if it could be a language of angels like enochian sigules
[22:51] heartheather73: and some guy named Colin Penrose has been searching for this manuscript, calling it the "Fourth Book".
[22:51] LittleShortGuy99: also, the writing on the manuscript looks very similar to some old phillipines/indonesian writing
[22:51] Gupfee: would there be anything in your cluesearch material?
[22:51] BarbarellaNY: they are everywhere
[22:52] KyraSplash: any suggestions as to something we can search in CLUESEARCH Dale?
[22:52] Dashcat7: Do you think the nine might have something to do with the 9 sacred trees in Diana's Grove? 
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[20:43] synthasiadale: As you'll see, some of it I can't really explain, so I'm not going to try to
[20:43] synthasiadale: Just relate it to you to start with and we'll take it from there
[20:44] synthasiadale: As many of you know, I tried calling several people on my cell phone as I approached the cemetery 
[20:44] synthasiadale: I managed to talk to a couple of people even though a few others I actually got voicemail for
[20:44] synthasiadale: Thanks a lot
[20:44] synthasiadale: just kidding :)
[20:44] RaynardM: sorry dale
[20:45] synthasiadale: Is there anyone here I talked to that night?
[20:45] lorgana1: i am 
[20:45] vraal1: I didn't hear from you, no.
[20:45] lorgana1: I'm Michelle (Varin)
[20:45] lorgana1: you called me at work
[20:45] synthasiadale: Good, I just wanted to personally thank you, that's all
[20:45] lorgana1: i guess you found the correct plot#?
[20:46] lorgana1: no prob
[20:46] synthasiadale: I had a little trouble finding the actual cemetery plot I was supposed to be at
[20:47] synthasiadale: As I looked around for it, I couldnt help feeling someone was watching me
[20:48] synthasiadale: Like someone or something was just at the edge of my sight
[20:48] synthasiadale: But I could never quite see anything directly
[20:49] synthasiadale: Does anyone know, is there a limit to the number of people who can be in here?
[20:50] synthasiadale: I have several people IM'ing me trying to get in but can't
[20:50] Avrom18: I dont think there is a limit Dale
[20:50] Avrom18: who are they
[20:50] synthasiadale: tartanwolf2
[20:50] synthasiadale: kingofhugs
[20:50] Eulalie6: you have to be invited .. 
[20:50] synthasiadale: I tried inviting them
[20:50] Avrom18: I just did the same
[20:50] Veen98: the room is full
[20:51] Eulalie6: hmm
[20:51] Eulalie6: it does seem there is a limit
[20:51] jamesidude: this room is full?
[20:51] * jamesidude clears up some space
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[20:51] synthasiadale: Sorry for the interruption
[20:51] Avrom18: thats ok
[20:52] synthasiadale: I finally found the right plot, even though the name on the stone was worn away and hard to read
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[20:53] synthasiadale: I had expected a guide or someone to be there to point the way or something but there was no one, just the tombstone and me
[20:53] synthasiadale: As I crouched before it I heard footsteps coming up behind me
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[20:54] KingOHugs: whoa
[20:54] synthasiadale: and turned to see shadowy figures approaching slowly
[20:54] heartheather73: there might be a limit in AIM
[20:54] synthasiadale: I couldnt make them out clearly either but felt very threatened by their approach and started to panic
[20:55] vraal1: Methinks Dale, you should take your next spooky trip with a BlairWitch-esque camera
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[20:55] synthasiadale: And as I did there was a strange light that seemed to come from within the stone and I was gone suddenly and violently
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[20:56] synthasiadale: Its hard to describe but next there were a series of images, quickly flashing, and overlapping as they went
[20:57] synthasiadale: It's almost funny now but I honestly thought "So this is what it's like to die"
[20:57] synthasiadale: Anyway I saw several things
[20:59] synthasiadale: A blue figure in blue light walking toward me, with wings like an angel but that made me very very frightened as he came towards me
[20:59] synthasiadale: A child standing in a doorway, turning to look back at me, before he walked through into blinding red light
[21:00] synthasiadale: Symbols carved into walls and stones and people's flesh
[21:00] Eulalie6: ouch
[21:01] synthasiadale: And watches clocks and timepieces of all sorts from throughout history
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[21:02] synthasiadale: Suddenly I was in a dark hallway lined on each side by quiet still figures
[21:03] synthasiadale: On one side were men in long robes, their faces hidden in shadows and each holding their hands or arms in strange somewhat distinctive positions
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[21:04] synthasiadale: On the other were men in different forms of dress, all with deep dark eyes and silver rings on each of their crossed hands they held before them
[21:04] vraal1: Sounds like the village people doing the YMCA
[21:04] Eulalie6: ring raiths
[21:05] synthasiadale: Without a word they watched me go down the hall, and from the hallway I emerged into a room, an oval sphere of some sort
[21:06] synthasiadale: As I turned to look back to the hall it was gone and the room filled with some strange liquid that burned my lungs as i breathed it in
[21:07] synthasiadale: As I fought my way to the surface I saw a beautiful woman dancing atop the waves
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[21:07] synthasiadale: As she moved her movements caused winds to swirl and from those winds a form took shape
[21:08] synthasiadale: It was a snake that entwined with her as she danced
[21:08] synthasiadale: Eventually their forms merged until all that remained was a glowing egglike form
[21:09] synthasiadale: As it began to crack I found myself somewhere else
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[21:10] synthasiadale: A valley warm and sunny. There was a young man there, seated on an ebony couch with a crown of flowers around his head
[21:10] synthasiadale: Behind him sat another man, crouched in a black cloak and dark, shining armor
[21:11] synthasiadale: His face was deathly white and his eyes focused intently on an hourglass before him
[21:11] synthasiadale: And then again I was somewhere else
[21:12] synthasiadale: A dark forest and I'm running sweaty and scared
[21:12] synthasiadale: Around me, nine ghostly white shapes tinged with red are running furiously, right beside me and getting closer by the moment
[21:14] synthasiadale: They are herding me towards something and as they get closer I see their ears, burning red like flames and their eyes, black as the night
[21:15] synthasiadale: And then, somewhere else again, this time the banks of a river
[21:16] synthasiadale: The river is drying up and there are several swans struggling onto the bank
[21:16] synthasiadale: There is a woman standing there playing a musical instrument of some kind, singing a sad song lamenting the river's death
[21:16] synthasiadale: Above her, in the sky are five suns
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[21:17] synthasiadale: One by one each is extinguished
[21:17] synthasiadale: Until only one remains
[21:17] synthasiadale: And then finally
[21:17] synthasiadale: I am on the shore of a small lake
[21:18] synthasiadale: It seems to be modern times and I see people walking along and sitting by the lake
[21:18] synthasiadale: I approach them but no one seems to take notice of me
[21:18] synthasiadale: And then I recognize one of the people
[21:19] synthasiadale: It is Diana
[21:19] synthasiadale: Standing beside the lake with a baby in her arms
[21:19] synthasiadale: She is crying
[21:19] synthasiadale: I try to reach for her but it's like I'm not there
[21:20] synthasiadale: For some reason I close my eyes and when I open them I standing in trees
[21:20] synthasiadale: And Diana is there again, this time with Meaghan as she was shortly before the accident
[21:21] synthasiadale: Meaghan is playing on the ground beside Diana as she talks on her cell phone
[21:21] synthasiadale: I cant hear what she is saying
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[21:22] synthasiadale: Her back is turned slightly to Meaghan and I see someone else, a young thin girl with pale skin walk up to Meaghan
[21:23] synthasiadale: Diana seems oblivious to this girl, who squats down besides Meaghan and says, "My little sister. We have so much in common but different paths to walk."
[21:24] synthasiadale: You will be leaving this world at the same age I came to it, yet we both carry the same burden and promise
[21:24] synthasiadale: With that Diana seems to take notice of the girl and quickly asks her what she is doing
[21:26] synthasiadale: To which the young girl replies, "Without guilt you have betrayed him. Protect your daughter. She will need you soon."
[21:27] synthasiadale: And then I was alone in a small darkened room with this girl with pale skin and large brown eyes
[21:28] synthasiadale: The room was filled with artwork and sculptures and books 
[21:28] synthasiadale: The walls themselves were covered everywhere with symbols and pictures, words and phrases
[21:28] Eulalie6: sarah???
[21:29] synthasiadale: The girl was looking around cautiously, as if afraid
[21:30] synthasiadale: I watched her as she carefully took a brush and did something to the bottom of some paintings, as if signing her name
[21:30] synthasiadale: Next she unwrapped a small object from a cloth
[21:31] synthasiadale: And then another and another until three items were set before her
[21:31] synthasiadale: One was a round disc, if not the same, very similar to the one Wes found
[21:32] synthasiadale: It had symbols on it I couldnt quite make out except for the 7 pointed star in the middle
[21:32] Avrom18: Dale do you remember what the painting looked like or what the name that was signed said?
[21:32] synthasiadale: Next to it was a staff or stick of some sort about eight inches long
[21:33] synthasiadale: Please hold on before asking me questions OK?
[21:33] Avrom18: oksorry
[21:33] synthasiadale: At each end was a stone of some type and entwined around it were vines or leaves I think
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[21:35] synthasiadale: And finally there was a mask of some sort. It seemed to have wings or something coming from the hair and ribbons or threads hanging down around it
[21:36] synthasiadale: After placing the three objects before her, she turned at last to me and said, "You came seeking a way to find that which you have lost."
[21:38] synthasiadale: Like the one before me, I have left a means for you to find the way. You must believe. In belief there is power, more than you can even know.
[21:38] synthasiadale: The nine can move between but have lost their way
[21:39] synthasiadale: Restore them to what they were and you shall be rewarded
[21:40] synthasiadale: And then she said "Veritas Occultum" and repeated it three times
[21:40] synthasiadale: as if to be sure I had heard her right
[21:41] synthasiadale: Finally, she said, when this is done, these three items will call me and the way will again be opened
[21:41] synthasiadale: You will find what you have lost
[21:42] synthasiadale: And that was it, crazy as it sounds
[21:42] Avrom18: wow you have been through a lot
[21:42] synthasiadale: Next thing I knew I was waking up in the ashes of my burned out home, and barely managed to make it over to Sam's house
[21:42] synthasiadale: where i have been since
[21:43] synthasiadale: Now before I get bombarded with questions as to what it all means
[21:44] synthasiadale: I havent had a whole lot of time to research any of the strange parts in the beginning; off the top of my head there's nothing that jumps out at me
[21:44] synthasiadale: Or I should say rings any bells with me
[21:44] BarbarellaNY: lol
[21:45] synthasiadale: But the later parts I definitely have ideas about
[21:45] synthasiadale: Starting with the girl
[21:45] RaynardM: what are your ideas?
[21:45] synthasiadale: As many of you have probably guessed I'm pretty sure it was Sarah Wyatt
[21:46] lirath: Dale, what words/phrases/symbols did you see in Sarah's room?
[21:46] Eulalie6: ok all i HAVE to sleep please post a transcipt
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[21:46] synthasiadale: And I'm pretty certain the paintings she was working on were the ones that Phyllis supposedly found in that old trunk
[21:47] synthasiadale: Just like I think that the disc she made was the one Wes found in the Pine Barrens
[21:48] synthasiadale: And obviously, the Latin phrase she repeated "Veritas Occultum", seems to be taken directly from the manuscript pages from the same trunk
[21:48] KingOHugs: Dale, you said she told you "the nine have lost their way"...any thoughts?  we're guessing these are the guids, yo useem to have the most contact with them...any idea WHAT they need help with?
[21:48] synthasiadale: Keep your questions for just a couple more minutes please and then I'll trey and answer them
[21:49] KingOHugs: of course
[21:49] synthasiadale: Just a couple more things I want to point out
[21:50] synthasiadale: I'm thinking that Sarah is obviously pointing us towards the manuscript page from that trunk and I'm thinking we need to get our hands on it somehow
[21:50] synthasiadale: In the same way it seems that the disc is significant in some way
[21:50] synthasiadale: I sure which Wes hadn't sold it
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[21:51] synthasiadale: Thats why I really want to get into that safe
[21:51] LittleShortGuy99: hello!
[21:51] synthasiadale: To help us track down the disc
[21:52] synthasiadale: But it seems once again, Wes might have been too clever for his own good
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[21:52] vraal1: ah so you've seen his... notes.
[21:52] synthasiadale: Yes of course
[21:53] synthasiadale: But I havent gotten anywhere with it either yet
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[21:53] synthasiadale: The one thing that I wanted to be sure to say is this
[21:54] synthasiadale: I asked the guides for "a way to find my family" and was expecting to be able to see them or talk to them at least, Diana and Meaghan, I mean
[21:55] synthasiadale: Instead, I got again exactly what I asked for - a way to find them only, not Diana and Meaghan themselves
[21:55] synthasiadale: It seems these guides either play by the same rules as "the Wish" or at least share the same twisted sense of humor
[21:56] synthasiadale: I guess what I'm trying to say is be careful in your dealings with them. They seem to have their own agenda in all of this
[21:56] synthasiadale: Now, I know that was way long. Whose got questions for me?
[21:57] BarbarellaNY: Dale
[21:57] lirath: hi dale - can you describe the phrases, words and symbols in Sarah's room?
[21:57] BarbarellaNY: when you first saw Diana with the baby
[21:57] BarbarellaNY: was that Meagan as an infant?
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[21:58] synthasiadale: the first question is tough, the walls, ceilings, floor, etc of the room the girl was in was literally covered with stuff and very dark
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[21:58] synthasiadale: I cant pick anything out of my memory that stands out, sorry
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[21:59] synthasiadale: I'm not sure if the baby Diana was holding was Meaghan, I mean I think so but her back was somewhat turned to me and Diana seemed somehow different to me
[21:59] KyraSplash: Where is Sam? Any ideas yet on how to get Wes back or where he's gone?
[22:00] BarbarellaNY: How different dale
[22:00] synthasiadale: Its strange, the way Diana looked by that lake
[22:00] BarbarellaNY: ?
[22:00] synthasiadale: It wasnt like anytime I can remember her looking since we have been togther
[22:01] synthasiadale: I cant put my finger on any one thing though
[22:01] BarbarellaNY: hmmm
[22:01] synthasiadale: Sam
[22:01] BarbarellaNY: not your memories from when Meaghan was born?
[22:01] synthasiadale: Sam has been doing a little snooping trying to help us solve Wes' safe puzzle
[22:01] Dashcat7: Dale, who do you think the nine are? Are they the Guides? And who are the "numbered ones"
[22:01] synthasiadale: No to your question Barbarella
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[22:02] the42guy: Dale, do you think the nine... give a certain significance to the mystery graffiti?
[22:02] synthasiadale: Dashcat: I dont think the nine are the guides
[22:03] synthasiadale: For some reason I think the guides may be the people in robes on the one side of the hallway i went through
[22:03] Gupfee: was digitalis there?
[22:04] synthasiadale: You have been paying attention :) 
[22:04] Gupfee: we got email from digitalis, a guide, and he said something about the "2nd ring"
[22:04] synthasiadale: One of the figures on that side Im pretty sure was digitalis even though a hood obscured his face somewhat
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[22:04] Gupfee: did all the guides have 6 fingers?
[22:05] synthasiadale: No i dont think so but i couldnt see all their hands
[22:05] RaynardM: on that note, do you remember the "distinctive positions" their hands were in?
[22:05] the42guy: back to the 9 more a second, do you think that could be what the graffiti means?
[22:06] synthasiadale: What I meant by that was that each one had something unusual or different about at least one of their hands
[22:06] KyraSplash: Dale - what is the Human Interface Project? and have you contacted Peter Pfishtrap?
[22:06] synthasiadale: hold on too many questions at once
[22:06] synthasiadale: lol
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[22:06] SilverEyedDevine: ^_^ overwhelmed people i guess 
[22:06] Gupfee: finish up your thoughts about the guides, please
[22:07] synthasiadale: i clearly saw at last one of the figures with six fingers on one hand, another was missing his entire hand
[22:07] BarbarellaNY: what was different about the hands
[22:07] synthasiadale: others had unusual deformities, like hands permanently cramped into fists or claw sjaped forms
[22:07] synthasiadale: shaped*
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[22:08] heartheather73: arthritic hands like the photo at the library
[22:08] synthasiadale: But back to the point, there were more than nine of them
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[22:08] synthasiadale: on that side of the hall
[22:08] SilverEyedDevine: more?
[22:08] synthasiadale: so if they are the guides, which i think they are, they are not the nine
[22:09] the42guy: do you think the dead eyes are the nine and if it has any relevance to the graffiti?
[22:09] synthasiadale: Now someone asked about the numbered ones and the second ring
[22:09] synthasiadale: this actually ties into your question too 42guy
[22:10] the42guy: cool
[22:10] synthasiadale: From the guides message about Wes, I'm assuming the "numbered ones" are the same ones that Wes had been calling the dead eyes
[22:11] synthasiadale: The same people or beings leaving the strange graffiti symbol
[22:11] SilverEyedDevine: the ones all around us?
[22:11] synthasiadale: But again, I think they were the figures on the other side of the hallway from the guides
[22:12] synthasiadale: And there  were more than nine of them I think. I think I counted at least ten there although like I said before they were all dressed slightly differently from each other
[22:13] synthasiadale: And I'm not certain I counted correctly
[22:13] synthasiadale: One thing I noticed though
[22:14] synthasiadale: they all seemed to have the strange ringlike graffiti symbol somewhere on them
[22:14] heartheather73: Dale, I have been in contact with Bruce for over a month now, and he is very worried and upset that you won't answer his calls or email. Is there a reason you are ignoring your once best friend?
[22:15] synthasiadale: Once again, that is a tough question and I'm not sure how to answer it.
[22:16] heartheather73: in what ever way you can. 
[22:16] Sandra ctw: btw, not all of us trust Bruce. 
[22:16] synthasiadale: Let me just go over some facts with you first that may explain what's going on
[22:17] synthasiadale: I have known Bruce for years
[22:17] synthasiadale: We have shared many things
[22:17] synthasiadale: And relied on each other through many tough times
[22:18] synthasiadale: Bruce's face was the first thing I saw when I opened my eyes after the "accident"
[22:18] synthasiadale: But
[22:18] heartheather73: that must have been tough, to hear bad news from your best friend.
[22:18] SilverEyedDevine: ...yeah
[22:18] synthasiadale: When I was in Klepsydra something happened
[22:19] synthasiadale: You know, that mental facility I was in?
[22:19] Sandra ctw: We know.
[22:19] synthasiadale: I reached a point where I realized that, no matter how much I believed in my story, no one else ever would.
[22:20] synthasiadale: Christ, it still sounds crazy even to me :)
[22:20] Avrom18: Dale we recieved a letter from Digitails which mentioned that there is a betrayer that caused Wes to dissapear . Do you have any idea whom this might be?
[22:20] heartheather73: bruce has admitted having a very tough time understanding your version.
[22:20] synthasiadale: So I decided to do whatever I needed to to get out of there
[22:20] heartheather73: but he really wants to talk to you. please send him email.
[22:20] synthasiadale: and prove I was right
[22:20] SilverEyedDevine: it's people like him that riticles other people.. all of us believe you Dale.
[22:20] synthasiadale: Please let me finish
[22:21] Avrom18: sorry dale we will all wait our turn when you give the goahead we will go oneby one 
[22:21] synthasiadale: One day while in Klepsydra I asked the doctors to call Bruce in for a meeting, since he was my legal guardian at that point
[22:22] synthasiadale: In a private room with Bruce I told him that I had come to my senses and realized it was just the trauma I had gone through making me believe those things
[22:23] synthasiadale: And I asked him to get me out of there
[22:23] synthasiadale: He looked me right in my eyes and said "Of course, Dale, that's wonderful."
[22:23] synthasiadale: And then left.
[22:24] synthasiadale: After sitting there a few hours thinking I was going to be released I finally asked the doctors.
[22:24] synthasiadale: They told me Bruce didn't say anything about my change of mental state, and instead asked them how long I could be held
[22:25] SilverEyedDevine: ....evil.. thats completely evil
[22:25] synthasiadale: He refused to take any of my calls the rest of the time I was there after that
[22:25] Sandra ctw: Interesting.
[22:25] SilverEyedDevine: interesting and deceptive... 
[22:25] synthasiadale: It wasnt until you people found the movie clips from the park that the doctors finally agreed to release me
[22:26] synthasiadale: One point in all fairness
[22:26] synthasiadale: Bruce has since told me he did everything out of concern for me
[22:26] synthasiadale: Including keeping me in Klepsydra to keep me away from the Marzano's
[22:27] heartheather73: the Marzanos were after your hide, meaning you harm.
[22:27] synthasiadale: But until I can sit down and look him in the eyes and ask questions, I'm not taking any chances
[22:27] heartheather73: then have a sit down with him.
[22:27] SilverEyedDevine: that doesn't matter, Bruce coulda keep Dale elsewhere... 
[22:27] heartheather73: take Sam with you.
[22:27] Sandra ctw: Mind if we ask him questions? :-) 
[22:27] RaynardM: we assume they still are after you. thoughts on that? have you contacted them? 
[22:28] synthasiadale: My major concern with Bruce right now is exactly that - his connections to the Marzano's
[22:28] heartheather73: he claims YOU brought them to AnonymousFame.
[22:28] synthasiadale: They are definitely still looking for me
[22:28] SilverEyedDevine: i can definately see strong connections there.
[22:29] Sandra ctw: Dale, who brought them in as clients at AF?
[22:29] synthasiadale: Let me just say this, the Marzano's provided the initial funding for AnonymousFame, just like Synthasia. And Bruce brought me into AF after it was started
[22:30] Avrom18: Dale for your information: I am going to speak first than Dash followed by Maggie and than Kyra here is my question
[22:30] Avrom18: Dale we recieved a letter from Digitails which mentioned that there is a betrayer that caused Wes to dissapear . Do you have any idea whom that might be?
[22:30] Sandra ctw: Thank you, Dale. 
[22:31] synthasiadale: I dont know who alerted the dead eyes or numbered ones to the location of my return
[22:31] synthasiadale: For all we know it could be one of you
[22:31] synthasiadale: But we cant live in fear over it
[22:32] synthasiadale: We need to do something to find Wes instead
[22:32] synthasiadale: He seems to almost have anticipated something happening
[22:32] synthasiadale: That's why I think there may be something in his safe besides that notebook he mentioned
[22:32] SilverEyedDevine: yes, he seems to be a very perceptive man
[22:33] KyraSplash: we need him back
[22:33] synthasiadale: He seemed to think he may have found out who the "numbered ones" are
[22:33] synthasiadale: you know, the obscure book reference
[22:33] synthasiadale: Which is why Sam went to poke around the Library records tonight
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[22:34] synthasiadale: to see if Wes had taken out any "obscure" books lately
[22:34] maggiaem: Dale, those of us who have your 13 items are keeping them safe.  Do you have any ideas yet as to how they should be used or what we should be doing with them?
[22:36] synthasiadale: No thats something I'm still puzzled about
[22:36] synthasiadale: I have no idea who could have sent them to Meaghan or why
[22:36] maggiaem: Could it have been Sarah?
[22:37] maggiaem: She *did* call Meaghan 'little sister'...
[22:37] synthasiadale: Thats obviously a possibility; I can only assume they might mean something more as we go
[22:37] KyraSplash: Dale - could you go back a little bit...I was wondering what the Human Interface Project is? and have you contacted Peter Pfishtrap?
[22:37] maggiaem: *hugs* thanks Dale.  We will continue to guard them.
[22:38] synthasiadale: Ah, the Human Interface Project is something I was working on before all this started
[22:39] synthasiadale: Its basically an attempt to create an easy to use human "guide" for websites, business projects etc
[22:39] KyraSplash: that peter guy seems anxious to talk to you
[22:40] synthasiadale: By filming and digitizing a "talking head" and then incorporating into a "chatbot" type program, I was hoping to create an interactive navigation system
[22:40] SilverEyedDevine: and this urgency has been so recent, he seemed to appear out of the blue, and then emailling you the very next day, expressing his concern
[22:41] synthasiadale: you know, as your mosue rolled over certain things the guide would actually speak and explain things to you
[22:41] KyraSplash: good idea dale
[22:41] synthasiadale: I shopped the concept around to several people
[22:41] synthasiadale: Peter (Fishtrap is not his name BTW lol) was very interested in it for a project he was doing
[22:42] synthasiadale: A project that was very interesting in it's own right
[22:42] SilverEyedDevine: any idea why peter may be so concerned about HIP all of a sudden?
[22:43] synthasiadale: But unfortunately I'm under a NDA not to discuss it, that's why he was so upset with people reading my e-mail
[22:43] synthasiadale: I can tell you this though
[22:43] synthasiadale: His project involved an online component that he was interested in using the HIP for
[22:44] synthasiadale: but he was also on some kind of personal timeline for his project
[22:44] synthasiadale: I had kind of promised him I would be working on it by now
[22:44] synthasiadale: But as you know I've been kind of busy
[22:44] synthasiadale: I have a question for all of you before I go (it is getting late, at least here in Jersey)
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[22:44] the42guy: Dale, Sam found a note on your calender that said "Dale" and "Castle Green Rd." - What does that mean?  Who lives there, and where is it?
[22:45] Avrom18: An anonomous member of the group has asked "Do you think that the 13 items relate to a magical or witches circle and could we be expected to use it against the 9"
[22:45] synthasiadale: I'm pretty sure Sam already mentioned in an e-mail that neither of us know the significance of CASTLE GREEN RD
[22:45] synthasiadale: It doesnt seem to be a local address
[22:46] the42guy: why'd you wirte iet down? or did it just appeaR?
[22:46] the42guy: ignore my typos.  :-[
[22:46] synthasiadale: write what down? CASTLE GREEN RD?
[22:46] the42guy: ssorry, wes wrote it down
[22:46] the42guy: right?
[22:46] synthasiadale: I didnt write it down, Wes did. On  his deskpad, yes
[22:47] synthasiadale: Now back to my question
[22:47] the42guy: do you think the capitalization means anything?
[22:47] the42guy: okay, sorry
[22:47] synthasiadale: I dont know
[22:47] the42guy: okay
[22:47] synthasiadale: about the capitals that is
[22:47] the42guy: thank you so much
[22:48] Avrom18: FINAL QUESTION An anonomous member of the group has asked "Do you think that the 13 items relate to a magical or witches circle and could we be expected to use it against the 9"
[22:49] synthasiadale: I dont know what the 13 items are for yet, sorry
[22:49] Avrom18: and you said you had one finalquestion for us what would this be
[22:50] synthasiadale: Has anyone managed to figure out any of the strange symbols on either the manuscript page or the disc Wes found? Some of them seem very familiar but I haven't found exact matches yet, except of course for the seven pointed star
[22:50] synthasiadale: That seems to be a pretty common symbol in fantasy and faery related literature
[22:50] Gupfee: the symbols on the disk are too hard to make out
[22:51] Gupfee: we have never seen a clean image of it
[22:51] heartheather73: the symbols on the front of the manuscript page look an awful lot like the old shorthand that secretaries used when taking dictation.
[22:51] Becca MacT: I think we're in the same boat as far as finding similarities but no matches. But learned a helluva lot in the process:)
[22:51] BarbarellaNY: I keep thinking I have seen some of  the manuscrpt ones, but others don't fit
[22:51] synthasiadale: has anyone found any relevance to the fairy connection?
[22:51] Prettycolors62: I was wondering if it could be a language of angels like enochian sigules
[22:51] heartheather73: and some guy named Colin Penrose has been searching for this manuscript, calling it the "Fourth Book".
[22:51] LittleShortGuy99: also, the writing on the manuscript looks very similar to some old phillipines/indonesian writing
[22:51] Gupfee: would there be anything in your cluesearch material?
[22:51] BarbarellaNY: they are everywhere
[22:52] KyraSplash: any suggestions as to something we can search in CLUESEARCH Dale?
[22:52] Dashcat7: Do you think the nine might have something to do with the 9 sacred trees in Diana's Grove? 
[22:52] synthasiadale: an awful lot of stuff I found while researching before seemed to connect fairies with travelling between worlds and other things we seem to be dealing with
[22:53] BarbarellaNY: yes
[22:53] synthasiadale: I dont remember all the sites I visited during that time however
[22:53] BarbarellaNY:  and the tarot cards you sent out
[22:53] synthasiadale: But the cluesearch engine automatically scans my History caches and adds stuff to its database
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[20:43] synthasiadale: As you'll see, some of it I can't really explain, so I'm not going to try to
[20:43] synthasiadale: Just relate it to you to start with and we'll take it from there
[20:44] synthasiadale: As many of you know, I tried calling several people on my cell phone as I approached the cemetery 
[20:44] synthasiadale: I managed to talk to a couple of people even though a few others I actually got voicemail for
[20:44] synthasiadale: Thanks a lot
[20:44] synthasiadale: just kidding :)
[20:44] RaynardM: sorry dale
[20:45] synthasiadale: Is there anyone here I talked to that night?
[20:45] lorgana1: i am 
[20:45] vraal1: I didn't hear from you, no.
[20:45] lorgana1: I'm Michelle (Varin)
[20:45] lorgana1: you called me at work
[20:45] synthasiadale: Good, I just wanted to personally thank you, that's all
[20:45] lorgana1: i guess you found the correct plot#?
[20:46] lorgana1: no prob
[20:46] synthasiadale: I had a little trouble finding the actual cemetery plot I was supposed to be at
[20:47] synthasiadale: As I looked around for it, I couldnt help feeling someone was watching me
[20:48] synthasiadale: Like someone or something was just at the edge of my sight
[20:48] synthasiadale: But I could never quite see anything directly
[20:49] synthasiadale: Does anyone know, is there a limit to the number of people who can be in here?
[20:50] synthasiadale: I have several people IM'ing me trying to get in but can't
[20:50] Avrom18: I dont think there is a limit Dale
[20:50] Avrom18: who are they
[20:50] synthasiadale: tartanwolf2
[20:50] synthasiadale: kingofhugs
[20:50] Eulalie6: you have to be invited .. 
[20:50] synthasiadale: I tried inviting them
[20:50] Avrom18: I just did the same
[20:50] Veen98: the room is full
[20:51] Eulalie6: hmm
[20:51] Eulalie6: it does seem there is a limit
[20:51] jamesidude: this room is full?
[20:51] * jamesidude clears up some space
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[20:51] synthasiadale: Sorry for the interruption
[20:51] Avrom18: thats ok
[20:52] synthasiadale: I finally found the right plot, even though the name on the stone was worn away and hard to read
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[20:53] synthasiadale: I had expected a guide or someone to be there to point the way or something but there was no one, just the tombstone and me
[20:53] synthasiadale: As I crouched before it I heard footsteps coming up behind me
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[20:54] KingOHugs: whoa
[20:54] synthasiadale: and turned to see shadowy figures approaching slowly
[20:54] heartheather73: there might be a limit in AIM
[20:54] synthasiadale: I couldnt make them out clearly either but felt very threatened by their approach and started to panic
[20:55] vraal1: Methinks Dale, you should take your next spooky trip with a BlairWitch-esque camera
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[20:55] synthasiadale: And as I did there was a strange light that seemed to come from within the stone and I was gone suddenly and violently
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[20:56] synthasiadale: Its hard to describe but next there were a series of images, quickly flashing, and overlapping as they went
[20:57] synthasiadale: It's almost funny now but I honestly thought "So this is what it's like to die"
[20:57] synthasiadale: Anyway I saw several things
[20:59] synthasiadale: A blue figure in blue light walking toward me, with wings like an angel but that made me very very frightened as he came towards me
[20:59] synthasiadale: A child standing in a doorway, turning to look back at me, before he walked through into blinding red light
[21:00] synthasiadale: Symbols carved into walls and stones and people's flesh
[21:00] Eulalie6: ouch
[21:01] synthasiadale: And watches clocks and timepieces of all sorts from throughout history
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[21:02] synthasiadale: Suddenly I was in a dark hallway lined on each side by quiet still figures
[21:03] synthasiadale: On one side were men in long robes, their faces hidden in shadows and each holding their hands or arms in strange somewhat distinctive positions
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[21:04] synthasiadale: On the other were men in different forms of dress, all with deep dark eyes and silver rings on each of their crossed hands they held before them
[21:04] vraal1: Sounds like the village people doing the YMCA
[21:04] Eulalie6: ring raiths
[21:05] synthasiadale: Without a word they watched me go down the hall, and from the hallway I emerged into a room, an oval sphere of some sort
[21:06] synthasiadale: As I turned to look back to the hall it was gone and the room filled with some strange liquid that burned my lungs as i breathed it in
[21:07] synthasiadale: As I fought my way to the surface I saw a beautiful woman dancing atop the waves
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[21:07] synthasiadale: As she moved her movements caused winds to swirl and from those winds a form took shape
[21:08] synthasiadale: It was a snake that entwined with her as she danced
[21:08] synthasiadale: Eventually their forms merged until all that remained was a glowing egglike form
[21:09] synthasiadale: As it began to crack I found myself somewhere else
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[21:10] synthasiadale: A valley warm and sunny. There was a young man there, seated on an ebony couch with a crown of flowers around his head
[21:10] synthasiadale: Behind him sat another man, crouched in a black cloak and dark, shining armor
[21:11] synthasiadale: His face was deathly white and his eyes focused intently on an hourglass before him
[21:11] synthasiadale: And then again I was somewhere else
[21:12] synthasiadale: A dark forest and I'm running sweaty and scared
[21:12] synthasiadale: Around me, nine ghostly white shapes tinged with red are running furiously, right beside me and getting closer by the moment
[21:14] synthasiadale: They are herding me towards something and as they get closer I see their ears, burning red like flames and their eyes, black as the night
[21:15] synthasiadale: And then, somewhere else again, this time the banks of a river
[21:16] synthasiadale: The river is drying up and there are several swans struggling onto the bank
[21:16] synthasiadale: There is a woman standing there playing a musical instrument of some kind, singing a sad song lamenting the river's death
[21:16] synthasiadale: Above her, in the sky are five suns
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[21:17] synthasiadale: One by one each is extinguished
[21:17] synthasiadale: Until only one remains
[21:17] synthasiadale: And then finally
[21:17] synthasiadale: I am on the shore of a small lake
[21:18] synthasiadale: It seems to be modern times and I see people walking along and sitting by the lake
[21:18] synthasiadale: I approach them but no one seems to take notice of me
[21:18] synthasiadale: And then I recognize one of the people
[21:19] synthasiadale: It is Diana
[21:19] synthasiadale: Standing beside the lake with a baby in her arms
[21:19] synthasiadale: She is crying
[21:19] synthasiadale: I try to reach for her but it's like I'm not there
[21:20] synthasiadale: For some reason I close my eyes and when I open them I standing in trees
[21:20] synthasiadale: And Diana is there again, this time with Meaghan as she was shortly before the accident
[21:21] synthasiadale: Meaghan is playing on the ground beside Diana as she talks on her cell phone
[21:21] synthasiadale: I cant hear what she is saying
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[21:22] synthasiadale: Her back is turned slightly to Meaghan and I see someone else, a young thin girl with pale skin walk up to Meaghan
[21:23] synthasiadale: Diana seems oblivious to this girl, who squats down besides Meaghan and says, "My little sister. We have so much in common but different paths to walk."
[21:24] synthasiadale: You will be leaving this world at the same age I came to it, yet we both carry the same burden and promise
[21:24] synthasiadale: With that Diana seems to take notice of the girl and quickly asks her what she is doing
[21:26] synthasiadale: To which the young girl replies, "Without guilt you have betrayed him. Protect your daughter. She will need you soon."
[21:27] synthasiadale: And then I was alone in a small darkened room with this girl with pale skin and large brown eyes
[21:28] synthasiadale: The room was filled with artwork and sculptures and books 
[21:28] synthasiadale: The walls themselves were covered everywhere with symbols and pictures, words and phrases
[21:28] Eulalie6: sarah???
[21:29] synthasiadale: The girl was looking around cautiously, as if afraid
[21:30] synthasiadale: I watched her as she carefully took a brush and did something to the bottom of some paintings, as if signing her name
[21:30] synthasiadale: Next she unwrapped a small object from a cloth
[21:31] synthasiadale: And then another and another until three items were set before her
[21:31] synthasiadale: One was a round disc, if not the same, very similar to the one Wes found
[21:32] synthasiadale: It had symbols on it I couldnt quite make out except for the 7 pointed star in the middle
[21:32] Avrom18: Dale do you remember what the painting looked like or what the name that was signed said?
[21:32] synthasiadale: Next to it was a staff or stick of some sort about eight inches long
[21:33] synthasiadale: Please hold on before asking me questions OK?
[21:33] Avrom18: oksorry
[21:33] synthasiadale: At each end was a stone of some type and entwined around it were vines or leaves I think
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[21:35] synthasiadale: And finally there was a mask of some sort. It seemed to have wings or something coming from the hair and ribbons or threads hanging down around it
[21:36] synthasiadale: After placing the three objects before her, she turned at last to me and said, "You came seeking a way to find that which you have lost."
[21:38] synthasiadale: Like the one before me, I have left a means for you to find the way. You must believe. In belief there is power, more than you can even know.
[21:38] synthasiadale: The nine can move between but have lost their way
[21:39] synthasiadale: Restore them to what they were and you shall be rewarded
[21:40] synthasiadale: And then she said "Veritas Occultum" and repeated it three times
[21:40] synthasiadale: as if to be sure I had heard her right
[21:41] synthasiadale: Finally, she said, when this is done, these three items will call me and the way will again be opened
[21:41] synthasiadale: You will find what you have lost
[21:42] synthasiadale: And that was it, crazy as it sounds
[21:42] Avrom18: wow you have been through a lot
[21:42] synthasiadale: Next thing I knew I was waking up in the ashes of my burned out home, and barely managed to make it over to Sam's house
[21:42] synthasiadale: where i have been since
[21:43] synthasiadale: Now before I get bombarded with questions as to what it all means
[21:44] synthasiadale: I havent had a whole lot of time to research any of the strange parts in the beginning; off the top of my head there's nothing that jumps out at me
[21:44] synthasiadale: Or I should say rings any bells with me
[21:44] BarbarellaNY: lol
[21:45] synthasiadale: But the later parts I definitely have ideas about
[21:45] synthasiadale: Starting with the girl
[21:45] RaynardM: what are your ideas?
[21:45] synthasiadale: As many of you have probably guessed I'm pretty sure it was Sarah Wyatt
[21:46] lirath: Dale, what words/phrases/symbols did you see in Sarah's room?
[21:46] Eulalie6: ok all i HAVE to sleep please post a transcipt
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[21:46] synthasiadale: And I'm pretty certain the paintings she was working on were the ones that Phyllis supposedly found in that old trunk
[21:47] synthasiadale: Just like I think that the disc she made was the one Wes found in the Pine Barrens
[21:48] synthasiadale: And obviously, the Latin phrase she repeated "Veritas Occultum", seems to be taken directly from the manuscript pages from the same trunk
[21:48] KingOHugs: Dale, you said she told you "the nine have lost their way"...any thoughts?  we're guessing these are the guids, yo useem to have the most contact with them...any idea WHAT they need help with?
[21:48] synthasiadale: Keep your questions for just a couple more minutes please and then I'll trey and answer them
[21:49] KingOHugs: of course
[21:49] synthasiadale: Just a couple more things I want to point out
[21:50] synthasiadale: I'm thinking that Sarah is obviously pointing us towards the manuscript page from that trunk and I'm thinking we need to get our hands on it somehow
[21:50] synthasiadale: In the same way it seems that the disc is significant in some way
[21:50] synthasiadale: I sure which Wes hadn't sold it
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[21:51] synthasiadale: Thats why I really want to get into that safe
[21:51] LittleShortGuy99: hello!
[21:51] synthasiadale: To help us track down the disc
[21:52] synthasiadale: But it seems once again, Wes might have been too clever for his own good
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[21:52] vraal1: ah so you've seen his... notes.
[21:52] synthasiadale: Yes of course
[21:53] synthasiadale: But I havent gotten anywhere with it either yet
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[21:53] synthasiadale: The one thing that I wanted to be sure to say is this
[21:54] synthasiadale: I asked the guides for "a way to find my family" and was expecting to be able to see them or talk to them at least, Diana and Meaghan, I mean
[21:55] synthasiadale: Instead, I got again exactly what I asked for - a way to find them only, not Diana and Meaghan themselves
[21:55] synthasiadale: It seems these guides either play by the same rules as "the Wish" or at least share the same twisted sense of humor
[21:56] synthasiadale: I guess what I'm trying to say is be careful in your dealings with them. They seem to have their own agenda in all of this
[21:56] synthasiadale: Now, I know that was way long. Whose got questions for me?
[21:57] BarbarellaNY: Dale
[21:57] lirath: hi dale - can you describe the phrases, words and symbols in Sarah's room?
[21:57] BarbarellaNY: when you first saw Diana with the baby
[21:57] BarbarellaNY: was that Meagan as an infant?
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[21:58] synthasiadale: the first question is tough, the walls, ceilings, floor, etc of the room the girl was in was literally covered with stuff and very dark
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[21:58] synthasiadale: I cant pick anything out of my memory that stands out, sorry
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[21:59] synthasiadale: I'm not sure if the baby Diana was holding was Meaghan, I mean I think so but her back was somewhat turned to me and Diana seemed somehow different to me
[21:59] KyraSplash: Where is Sam? Any ideas yet on how to get Wes back or where he's gone?
[22:00] BarbarellaNY: How different dale
[22:00] synthasiadale: Its strange, the way Diana looked by that lake
[22:00] BarbarellaNY: ?
[22:00] synthasiadale: It wasnt like anytime I can remember her looking since we have been togther
[22:01] synthasiadale: I cant put my finger on any one thing though
[22:01] BarbarellaNY: hmmm
[22:01] synthasiadale: Sam
[22:01] BarbarellaNY: not your memories from when Meaghan was born?
[22:01] synthasiadale: Sam has been doing a little snooping trying to help us solve Wes' safe puzzle
[22:01] Dashcat7: Dale, who do you think the nine are? Are they the Guides? And who are the "numbered ones"
[22:01] synthasiadale: No to your question Barbarella
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[22:02] the42guy: Dale, do you think the nine... give a certain significance to the mystery graffiti?
[22:02] synthasiadale: Dashcat: I dont think the nine are the guides
[22:03] synthasiadale: For some reason I think the guides may be the people in robes on the one side of the hallway i went through
[22:03] Gupfee: was digitalis there?
[22:04] synthasiadale: You have been paying attention :) 
[22:04] Gupfee: we got email from digitalis, a guide, and he said something about the "2nd ring"
[22:04] synthasiadale: One of the figures on that side Im pretty sure was digitalis even though a hood obscured his face somewhat
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[22:04] Gupfee: did all the guides have 6 fingers?
[22:05] synthasiadale: No i dont think so but i couldnt see all their hands
[22:05] RaynardM: on that note, do you remember the "distinctive positions" their hands were in?
[22:05] the42guy: back to the 9 more a second, do you think that could be what the graffiti means?
[22:06] synthasiadale: What I meant by that was that each one had something unusual or different about at least one of their hands
[22:06] KyraSplash: Dale - what is the Human Interface Project? and have you contacted Peter Pfishtrap?
[22:06] synthasiadale: hold on too many questions at once
[22:06] synthasiadale: lol
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[22:06] SilverEyedDevine: ^_^ overwhelmed people i guess 
[22:06] Gupfee: finish up your thoughts about the guides, please
[22:07] synthasiadale: i clearly saw at last one of the figures with six fingers on one hand, another was missing his entire hand
[22:07] BarbarellaNY: what was different about the hands
[22:07] synthasiadale: others had unusual deformities, like hands permanently cramped into fists or claw sjaped forms
[22:07] synthasiadale: shaped*
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[22:08] heartheather73: arthritic hands like the photo at the library
[22:08] synthasiadale: But back to the point, there were more than nine of them
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[22:08] synthasiadale: on that side of the hall
[22:08] SilverEyedDevine: more?
[22:08] synthasiadale: so if they are the guides, which i think they are, they are not the nine
[22:09] the42guy: do you think the dead eyes are the nine and if it has any relevance to the graffiti?
[22:09] synthasiadale: Now someone asked about the numbered ones and the second ring
[22:09] synthasiadale: this actually ties into your question too 42guy
[22:10] the42guy: cool
[22:10] synthasiadale: From the guides message about Wes, I'm assuming the "numbered ones" are the same ones that Wes had been calling the dead eyes
[22:11] synthasiadale: The same people or beings leaving the strange graffiti symbol
[22:11] SilverEyedDevine: the ones all around us?
[22:11] synthasiadale: But again, I think they were the figures on the other side of the hallway from the guides
[22:12] synthasiadale: And there  were more than nine of them I think. I think I counted at least ten there although like I said before they were all dressed slightly differently from each other
[22:13] synthasiadale: And I'm not certain I counted correctly
[22:13] synthasiadale: One thing I noticed though
[22:14] synthasiadale: they all seemed to have the strange ringlike graffiti symbol somewhere on them
[22:14] heartheather73: Dale, I have been in contact with Bruce for over a month now, and he is very worried and upset that you won't answer his calls or email. Is there a reason you are ignoring your once best friend?
[22:15] synthasiadale: Once again, that is a tough question and I'm not sure how to answer it.
[22:16] heartheather73: in what ever way you can. 
[22:16] Sandra ctw: btw, not all of us trust Bruce. 
[22:16] synthasiadale: Let me just go over some facts with you first that may explain what's going on
[22:17] synthasiadale: I have known Bruce for years
[22:17] synthasiadale: We have shared many things
[22:17] synthasiadale: And relied on each other through many tough times
[22:18] synthasiadale: Bruce's face was the first thing I saw when I opened my eyes after the "accident"
[22:18] synthasiadale: But
[22:18] heartheather73: that must have been tough, to hear bad news from your best friend.
[22:18] SilverEyedDevine: ...yeah
[22:18] synthasiadale: When I was in Klepsydra something happened
[22:19] synthasiadale: You know, that mental facility I was in?
[22:19] Sandra ctw: We know.
[22:19] synthasiadale: I reached a point where I realized that, no matter how much I believed in my story, no one else ever would.
[22:20] synthasiadale: Christ, it still sounds crazy even to me :)
[22:20] Avrom18: Dale we recieved a letter from Digitails which mentioned that there is a betrayer that caused Wes to dissapear . Do you have any idea whom this might be?
[22:20] heartheather73: bruce has admitted having a very tough time understanding your version.
[22:20] synthasiadale: So I decided to do whatever I needed to to get out of there
[22:20] heartheather73: but he really wants to talk to you. please send him email.
[22:20] synthasiadale: and prove I was right
[22:20] SilverEyedDevine: it's people like him that riticles other people.. all of us believe you Dale.
[22:20] synthasiadale: Please let me finish
[22:21] Avrom18: sorry dale we will all wait our turn when you give the goahead we will go oneby one 
[22:21] synthasiadale: One day while in Klepsydra I asked the doctors to call Bruce in for a meeting, since he was my legal guardian at that point
[22:22] synthasiadale: In a private room with Bruce I told him that I had come to my senses and realized it was just the trauma I had gone through making me believe those things
[22:23] synthasiadale: And I asked him to get me out of there
[22:23] synthasiadale: He looked me right in my eyes and said "Of course, Dale, that's wonderful."
[22:23] synthasiadale: And then left.
[22:24] synthasiadale: After sitting there a few hours thinking I was going to be released I finally asked the doctors.
[22:24] synthasiadale: They told me Bruce didn't say anything about my change of mental state, and instead asked them how long I could be held
[22:25] SilverEyedDevine: ....evil.. thats completely evil
[22:25] synthasiadale: He refused to take any of my calls the rest of the time I was there after that
[22:25] Sandra ctw: Interesting.
[22:25] SilverEyedDevine: interesting and deceptive... 
[22:25] synthasiadale: It wasnt until you people found the movie clips from the park that the doctors finally agreed to release me
[22:26] synthasiadale: One point in all fairness
[22:26] synthasiadale: Bruce has since told me he did everything out of concern for me
[22:26] synthasiadale: Including keeping me in Klepsydra to keep me away from the Marzano's
[22:27] heartheather73: the Marzanos were after your hide, meaning you harm.
[22:27] synthasiadale: But until I can sit down and look him in the eyes and ask questions, I'm not taking any chances
[22:27] heartheather73: then have a sit down with him.
[22:27] SilverEyedDevine: that doesn't matter, Bruce coulda keep Dale elsewhere... 
[22:27] heartheather73: take Sam with you.
[22:27] Sandra ctw: Mind if we ask him questions? :-) 
[22:27] RaynardM: we assume they still are after you. thoughts on that? have you contacted them? 
[22:28] synthasiadale: My major concern with Bruce right now is exactly that - his connections to the Marzano's
[22:28] heartheather73: he claims YOU brought them to AnonymousFame.
[22:28] synthasiadale: They are definitely still looking for me
[22:28] SilverEyedDevine: i can definately see strong connections there.
[22:29] Sandra ctw: Dale, who brought them in as clients at AF?
[22:29] synthasiadale: Let me just say this, the Marzano's provided the initial funding for AnonymousFame, just like Synthasia. And Bruce brought me into AF after it was started
[22:30] Avrom18: Dale for your information: I am going to speak first than Dash followed by Maggie and than Kyra here is my question
[22:30] Avrom18: Dale we recieved a letter from Digitails which mentioned that there is a betrayer that caused Wes to dissapear . Do you have any idea whom that might be?
[22:30] Sandra ctw: Thank you, Dale. 
[22:31] synthasiadale: I dont know who alerted the dead eyes or numbered ones to the location of my return
[22:31] synthasiadale: For all we know it could be one of you
[22:31] synthasiadale: But we cant live in fear over it
[22:32] synthasiadale: We need to do something to find Wes instead
[22:32] synthasiadale: He seems to almost have anticipated something happening
[22:32] synthasiadale: That's why I think there may be something in his safe besides that notebook he mentioned
[22:32] SilverEyedDevine: yes, he seems to be a very perceptive man
[22:33] KyraSplash: we need him back
[22:33] synthasiadale: He seemed to think he may have found out who the "numbered ones" are
[22:33] synthasiadale: you know, the obscure book reference
[22:33] synthasiadale: Which is why Sam went to poke around the Library records tonight
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[22:34] synthasiadale: to see if Wes had taken out any "obscure" books lately
[22:34] maggiaem: Dale, those of us who have your 13 items are keeping them safe.  Do you have any ideas yet as to how they should be used or what we should be doing with them?
[22:36] synthasiadale: No thats something I'm still puzzled about
[22:36] synthasiadale: I have no idea who could have sent them to Meaghan or why
[22:36] maggiaem: Could it have been Sarah?
[22:37] maggiaem: She *did* call Meaghan 'little sister'...
[22:37] synthasiadale: Thats obviously a possibility; I can only assume they might mean something more as we go
[22:37] KyraSplash: Dale - could you go back a little bit...I was wondering what the Human Interface Project is? and have you contacted Peter Pfishtrap?
[22:37] maggiaem: *hugs* thanks Dale.  We will continue to guard them.
[22:38] synthasiadale: Ah, the Human Interface Project is something I was working on before all this started
[22:39] synthasiadale: Its basically an attempt to create an easy to use human "guide" for websites, business projects etc
[22:39] KyraSplash: that peter guy seems anxious to talk to you
[22:40] synthasiadale: By filming and digitizing a "talking head" and then incorporating into a "chatbot" type program, I was hoping to create an interactive navigation system
[22:40] SilverEyedDevine: and this urgency has been so recent, he seemed to appear out of the blue, and then emailling you the very next day, expressing his concern
[22:41] synthasiadale: you know, as your mosue rolled over certain things the guide would actually speak and explain things to you
[22:41] KyraSplash: good idea dale
[22:41] synthasiadale: I shopped the concept around to several people
[22:41] synthasiadale: Peter (Fishtrap is not his name BTW lol) was very interested in it for a project he was doing
[22:42] synthasiadale: A project that was very interesting in it's own right
[22:42] SilverEyedDevine: any idea why peter may be so concerned about HIP all of a sudden?
[22:43] synthasiadale: But unfortunately I'm under a NDA not to discuss it, that's why he was so upset with people reading my e-mail
[22:43] synthasiadale: I can tell you this though
[22:43] synthasiadale: His project involved an online component that he was interested in using the HIP for
[22:44] synthasiadale: but he was also on some kind of personal timeline for his project
[22:44] synthasiadale: I had kind of promised him I would be working on it by now
[22:44] synthasiadale: But as you know I've been kind of busy
[22:44] synthasiadale: I have a question for all of you before I go (it is getting late, at least here in Jersey)
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[22:44] the42guy: Dale, Sam found a note on your calender that said "Dale" and "Castle Green Rd." - What does that mean?  Who lives there, and where is it?
[22:45] Avrom18: An anonomous member of the group has asked "Do you think that the 13 items relate to a magical or witches circle and could we be expected to use it against the 9"
[22:45] synthasiadale: I'm pretty sure Sam already mentioned in an e-mail that neither of us know the significance of CASTLE GREEN RD
[22:45] synthasiadale: It doesnt seem to be a local address
[22:46] the42guy: why'd you wirte iet down? or did it just appeaR?
[22:46] the42guy: ignore my typos.  :-[
[22:46] synthasiadale: write what down? CASTLE GREEN RD?
[22:46] the42guy: ssorry, wes wrote it down
[22:46] the42guy: right?
[22:46] synthasiadale: I didnt write it down, Wes did. On  his deskpad, yes
[22:47] synthasiadale: Now back to my question
[22:47] the42guy: do you think the capitalization means anything?
[22:47] the42guy: okay, sorry
[22:47] synthasiadale: I dont know
[22:47] the42guy: okay
[22:47] synthasiadale: about the capitals that is
[22:47] the42guy: thank you so much
[22:48] Avrom18: FINAL QUESTION An anonomous member of the group has asked "Do you think that the 13 items relate to a magical or witches circle and could we be expected to use it against the 9"
[22:49] synthasiadale: I dont know what the 13 items are for yet, sorry
[22:49] Avrom18: and you said you had one finalquestion for us what would this be
[22:50] synthasiadale: Has anyone managed to figure out any of the strange symbols on either the manuscript page or the disc Wes found? Some of them seem very familiar but I haven't found exact matches yet, except of course for the seven pointed star
[22:50] synthasiadale: That seems to be a pretty common symbol in fantasy and faery related literature
[22:50] Gupfee: the symbols on the disk are too hard to make out
[22:51] Gupfee: we have never seen a clean image of it
[22:51] heartheather73: the symbols on the front of the manuscript page look an awful lot like the old shorthand that secretaries used when taking dictation.
[22:51] Becca MacT: I think we're in the same boat as far as finding similarities but no matches. But learned a helluva lot in the process:)
[22:51] BarbarellaNY: I keep thinking I have seen some of  the manuscrpt ones, but others don't fit
[22:51] synthasiadale: has anyone found any relevance to the fairy connection?
[22:51] Prettycolors62: I was wondering if it could be a language of angels like enochian sigules
[22:51] heartheather73: and some guy named Colin Penrose has been searching for this manuscript, calling it the "Fourth Book".
[22:51] LittleShortGuy99: also, the writing on the manuscript looks very similar to some old phillipines/indonesian writing
[22:51] Gupfee: would there be anything in your cluesearch material?
[22:51] BarbarellaNY: they are everywhere
[22:52] KyraSplash: any suggestions as to something we can search in CLUESEARCH Dale?
[22:52] Dashcat7: Do you think the nine might have something to do with the 9 sacred trees in Diana's Grove? 
[22:52] synthasiadale: an awful lot of stuff I found while researching before seemed to connect fairies with travelling between worlds and other things we seem to be dealing with
[22:53] BarbarellaNY: yes
[22:53] synthasiadale: I dont remember all the sites I visited during that time however
[22:53] BarbarellaNY:  and the tarot cards you sent out
[22:53] synthasiadale: But the cluesearch engine automatically scans my History caches and adds stuff to its database
[22:53] synthasiadale: there may be something in there that could help
[22:54] KyraSplash: any keywords Dale?
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[20:43] synthasiadale: As you'll see, some of it I can't really explain, so I'm not going to try to
[20:43] synthasiadale: Just relate it to you to start with and we'll take it from there
[20:44] synthasiadale: As many of you know, I tried calling several people on my cell phone as I approached the cemetery 
[20:44] synthasiadale: I managed to talk to a couple of people even though a few others I actually got voicemail for
[20:44] synthasiadale: Thanks a lot
[20:44] synthasiadale: just kidding :)
[20:44] RaynardM: sorry dale
[20:45] synthasiadale: Is there anyone here I talked to that night?
[20:45] lorgana1: i am 
[20:45] vraal1: I didn't hear from you, no.
[20:45] lorgana1: I'm Michelle (Varin)
[20:45] lorgana1: you called me at work
[20:45] synthasiadale: Good, I just wanted to personally thank you, that's all
[20:45] lorgana1: i guess you found the correct plot#?
[20:46] lorgana1: no prob
[20:46] synthasiadale: I had a little trouble finding the actual cemetery plot I was supposed to be at
[20:47] synthasiadale: As I looked around for it, I couldnt help feeling someone was watching me
[20:48] synthasiadale: Like someone or something was just at the edge of my sight
[20:48] synthasiadale: But I could never quite see anything directly
[20:49] synthasiadale: Does anyone know, is there a limit to the number of people who can be in here?
[20:50] synthasiadale: I have several people IM'ing me trying to get in but can't
[20:50] Avrom18: I dont think there is a limit Dale
[20:50] Avrom18: who are they
[20:50] synthasiadale: tartanwolf2
[20:50] synthasiadale: kingofhugs
[20:50] Eulalie6: you have to be invited .. 
[20:50] synthasiadale: I tried inviting them
[20:50] Avrom18: I just did the same
[20:50] Veen98: the room is full
[20:51] Eulalie6: hmm
[20:51] Eulalie6: it does seem there is a limit
[20:51] jamesidude: this room is full?
[20:51] * jamesidude clears up some space
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[20:51] synthasiadale: Sorry for the interruption
[20:51] Avrom18: thats ok
[20:52] synthasiadale: I finally found the right plot, even though the name on the stone was worn away and hard to read
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[20:53] synthasiadale: I had expected a guide or someone to be there to point the way or something but there was no one, just the tombstone and me
[20:53] synthasiadale: As I crouched before it I heard footsteps coming up behind me
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[20:54] KingOHugs: whoa
[20:54] synthasiadale: and turned to see shadowy figures approaching slowly
[20:54] heartheather73: there might be a limit in AIM
[20:54] synthasiadale: I couldnt make them out clearly either but felt very threatened by their approach and started to panic
[20:55] vraal1: Methinks Dale, you should take your next spooky trip with a BlairWitch-esque camera
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[20:55] synthasiadale: And as I did there was a strange light that seemed to come from within the stone and I was gone suddenly and violently
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[20:56] synthasiadale: Its hard to describe but next there were a series of images, quickly flashing, and overlapping as they went
[20:57] synthasiadale: It's almost funny now but I honestly thought "So this is what it's like to die"
[20:57] synthasiadale: Anyway I saw several things
[20:59] synthasiadale: A blue figure in blue light walking toward me, with wings like an angel but that made me very very frightened as he came towards me
[20:59] synthasiadale: A child standing in a doorway, turning to look back at me, before he walked through into blinding red light
[21:00] synthasiadale: Symbols carved into walls and stones and people's flesh
[21:00] Eulalie6: ouch
[21:01] synthasiadale: And watches clocks and timepieces of all sorts from throughout history
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[21:02] synthasiadale: Suddenly I was in a dark hallway lined on each side by quiet still figures
[21:03] synthasiadale: On one side were men in long robes, their faces hidden in shadows and each holding their hands or arms in strange somewhat distinctive positions
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[21:04] synthasiadale: On the other were men in different forms of dress, all with deep dark eyes and silver rings on each of their crossed hands they held before them
[21:04] vraal1: Sounds like the village people doing the YMCA
[21:04] Eulalie6: ring raiths
[21:05] synthasiadale: Without a word they watched me go down the hall, and from the hallway I emerged into a room, an oval sphere of some sort
[21:06] synthasiadale: As I turned to look back to the hall it was gone and the room filled with some strange liquid that burned my lungs as i breathed it in
[21:07] synthasiadale: As I fought my way to the surface I saw a beautiful woman dancing atop the waves
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[21:07] synthasiadale: As she moved her movements caused winds to swirl and from those winds a form took shape
[21:08] synthasiadale: It was a snake that entwined with her as she danced
[21:08] synthasiadale: Eventually their forms merged until all that remained was a glowing egglike form
[21:09] synthasiadale: As it began to crack I found myself somewhere else
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[21:10] synthasiadale: A valley warm and sunny. There was a young man there, seated on an ebony couch with a crown of flowers around his head
[21:10] synthasiadale: Behind him sat another man, crouched in a black cloak and dark, shining armor
[21:11] synthasiadale: His face was deathly white and his eyes focused intently on an hourglass before him
[21:11] synthasiadale: And then again I was somewhere else
[21:12] synthasiadale: A dark forest and I'm running sweaty and scared
[21:12] synthasiadale: Around me, nine ghostly white shapes tinged with red are running furiously, right beside me and getting closer by the moment
[21:14] synthasiadale: They are herding me towards something and as they get closer I see their ears, burning red like flames and their eyes, black as the night
[21:15] synthasiadale: And then, somewhere else again, this time the banks of a river
[21:16] synthasiadale: The river is drying up and there are several swans struggling onto the bank
[21:16] synthasiadale: There is a woman standing there playing a musical instrument of some kind, singing a sad song lamenting the river's death
[21:16] synthasiadale: Above her, in the sky are five suns
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[21:17] synthasiadale: One by one each is extinguished
[21:17] synthasiadale: Until only one remains
[21:17] synthasiadale: And then finally
[21:17] synthasiadale: I am on the shore of a small lake
[21:18] synthasiadale: It seems to be modern times and I see people walking along and sitting by the lake
[21:18] synthasiadale: I approach them but no one seems to take notice of me
[21:18] synthasiadale: And then I recognize one of the people
[21:19] synthasiadale: It is Diana
[21:19] synthasiadale: Standing beside the lake with a baby in her arms
[21:19] synthasiadale: She is crying
[21:19] synthasiadale: I try to reach for her but it's like I'm not there
[21:20] synthasiadale: For some reason I close my eyes and when I open them I standing in trees
[21:20] synthasiadale: And Diana is there again, this time with Meaghan as she was shortly before the accident
[21:21] synthasiadale: Meaghan is playing on the ground beside Diana as she talks on her cell phone
[21:21] synthasiadale: I cant hear what she is saying
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[21:22] synthasiadale: Her back is turned slightly to Meaghan and I see someone else, a young thin girl with pale skin walk up to Meaghan
[21:23] synthasiadale: Diana seems oblivious to this girl, who squats down besides Meaghan and says, "My little sister. We have so much in common but different paths to walk."
[21:24] synthasiadale: You will be leaving this world at the same age I came to it, yet we both carry the same burden and promise
[21:24] synthasiadale: With that Diana seems to take notice of the girl and quickly asks her what she is doing
[21:26] synthasiadale: To which the young girl replies, "Without guilt you have betrayed him. Protect your daughter. She will need you soon."
[21:27] synthasiadale: And then I was alone in a small darkened room with this girl with pale skin and large brown eyes
[21:28] synthasiadale: The room was filled with artwork and sculptures and books 
[21:28] synthasiadale: The walls themselves were covered everywhere with symbols and pictures, words and phrases
[21:28] Eulalie6: sarah???
[21:29] synthasiadale: The girl was looking around cautiously, as if afraid
[21:30] synthasiadale: I watched her as she carefully took a brush and did something to the bottom of some paintings, as if signing her name
[21:30] synthasiadale: Next she unwrapped a small object from a cloth
[21:31] synthasiadale: And then another and another until three items were set before her
[21:31] synthasiadale: One was a round disc, if not the same, very similar to the one Wes found
[21:32] synthasiadale: It had symbols on it I couldnt quite make out except for the 7 pointed star in the middle
[21:32] Avrom18: Dale do you remember what the painting looked like or what the name that was signed said?
[21:32] synthasiadale: Next to it was a staff or stick of some sort about eight inches long
[21:33] synthasiadale: Please hold on before asking me questions OK?
[21:33] Avrom18: oksorry
[21:33] synthasiadale: At each end was a stone of some type and entwined around it were vines or leaves I think
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[21:35] synthasiadale: And finally there was a mask of some sort. It seemed to have wings or something coming from the hair and ribbons or threads hanging down around it
[21:36] synthasiadale: After placing the three objects before her, she turned at last to me and said, "You came seeking a way to find that which you have lost."
[21:38] synthasiadale: Like the one before me, I have left a means for you to find the way. You must believe. In belief there is power, more than you can even know.
[21:38] synthasiadale: The nine can move between but have lost their way
[21:39] synthasiadale: Restore them to what they were and you shall be rewarded
[21:40] synthasiadale: And then she said "Veritas Occultum" and repeated it three times
[21:40] synthasiadale: as if to be sure I had heard her right
[21:41] synthasiadale: Finally, she said, when this is done, these three items will call me and the way will again be opened
[21:41] synthasiadale: You will find what you have lost
[21:42] synthasiadale: And that was it, crazy as it sounds
[21:42] Avrom18: wow you have been through a lot
[21:42] synthasiadale: Next thing I knew I was waking up in the ashes of my burned out home, and barely managed to make it over to Sam's house
[21:42] synthasiadale: where i have been since
[21:43] synthasiadale: Now before I get bombarded with questions as to what it all means
[21:44] synthasiadale: I havent had a whole lot of time to research any of the strange parts in the beginning; off the top of my head there's nothing that jumps out at me
[21:44] synthasiadale: Or I should say rings any bells with me
[21:44] BarbarellaNY: lol
[21:45] synthasiadale: But the later parts I definitely have ideas about
[21:45] synthasiadale: Starting with the girl
[21:45] RaynardM: what are your ideas?
[21:45] synthasiadale: As many of you have probably guessed I'm pretty sure it was Sarah Wyatt
[21:46] lirath: Dale, what words/phrases/symbols did you see in Sarah's room?
[21:46] Eulalie6: ok all i HAVE to sleep please post a transcipt
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[21:46] synthasiadale: And I'm pretty certain the paintings she was working on were the ones that Phyllis supposedly found in that old trunk
[21:47] synthasiadale: Just like I think that the disc she made was the one Wes found in the Pine Barrens
[21:48] synthasiadale: And obviously, the Latin phrase she repeated "Veritas Occultum", seems to be taken directly from the manuscript pages from the same trunk
[21:48] KingOHugs: Dale, you said she told you "the nine have lost their way"...any thoughts?  we're guessing these are the guids, yo useem to have the most contact with them...any idea WHAT they need help with?
[21:48] synthasiadale: Keep your questions for just a couple more minutes please and then I'll trey and answer them
[21:49] KingOHugs: of course
[21:49] synthasiadale: Just a couple more things I want to point out
[21:50] synthasiadale: I'm thinking that Sarah is obviously pointing us towards the manuscript page from that trunk and I'm thinking we need to get our hands on it somehow
[21:50] synthasiadale: In the same way it seems that the disc is significant in some way
[21:50] synthasiadale: I sure which Wes hadn't sold it
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[21:51] synthasiadale: Thats why I really want to get into that safe
[21:51] LittleShortGuy99: hello!
[21:51] synthasiadale: To help us track down the disc
[21:52] synthasiadale: But it seems once again, Wes might have been too clever for his own good
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[21:52] vraal1: ah so you've seen his... notes.
[21:52] synthasiadale: Yes of course
[21:53] synthasiadale: But I havent gotten anywhere with it either yet
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[21:53] synthasiadale: The one thing that I wanted to be sure to say is this
[21:54] synthasiadale: I asked the guides for "a way to find my family" and was expecting to be able to see them or talk to them at least, Diana and Meaghan, I mean
[21:55] synthasiadale: Instead, I got again exactly what I asked for - a way to find them only, not Diana and Meaghan themselves
[21:55] synthasiadale: It seems these guides either play by the same rules as "the Wish" or at least share the same twisted sense of humor
[21:56] synthasiadale: I guess what I'm trying to say is be careful in your dealings with them. They seem to have their own agenda in all of this
[21:56] synthasiadale: Now, I know that was way long. Whose got questions for me?
[21:57] BarbarellaNY: Dale
[21:57] lirath: hi dale - can you describe the phrases, words and symbols in Sarah's room?
[21:57] BarbarellaNY: when you first saw Diana with the baby
[21:57] BarbarellaNY: was that Meagan as an infant?
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[21:58] synthasiadale: the first question is tough, the walls, ceilings, floor, etc of the room the girl was in was literally covered with stuff and very dark
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[21:58] synthasiadale: I cant pick anything out of my memory that stands out, sorry
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[21:59] synthasiadale: I'm not sure if the baby Diana was holding was Meaghan, I mean I think so but her back was somewhat turned to me and Diana seemed somehow different to me
[21:59] KyraSplash: Where is Sam? Any ideas yet on how to get Wes back or where he's gone?
[22:00] BarbarellaNY: How different dale
[22:00] synthasiadale: Its strange, the way Diana looked by that lake
[22:00] BarbarellaNY: ?
[22:00] synthasiadale: It wasnt like anytime I can remember her looking since we have been togther
[22:01] synthasiadale: I cant put my finger on any one thing though
[22:01] BarbarellaNY: hmmm
[22:01] synthasiadale: Sam
[22:01] BarbarellaNY: not your memories from when Meaghan was born?
[22:01] synthasiadale: Sam has been doing a little snooping trying to help us solve Wes' safe puzzle
[22:01] Dashcat7: Dale, who do you think the nine are? Are they the Guides? And who are the "numbered ones"
[22:01] synthasiadale: No to your question Barbarella
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[22:02] the42guy: Dale, do you think the nine... give a certain significance to the mystery graffiti?
[22:02] synthasiadale: Dashcat: I dont think the nine are the guides
[22:03] synthasiadale: For some reason I think the guides may be the people in robes on the one side of the hallway i went through
[22:03] Gupfee: was digitalis there?
[22:04] synthasiadale: You have been paying attention :) 
[22:04] Gupfee: we got email from digitalis, a guide, and he said something about the "2nd ring"
[22:04] synthasiadale: One of the figures on that side Im pretty sure was digitalis even though a hood obscured his face somewhat
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[22:04] Gupfee: did all the guides have 6 fingers?
[22:05] synthasiadale: No i dont think so but i couldnt see all their hands
[22:05] RaynardM: on that note, do you remember the "distinctive positions" their hands were in?
[22:05] the42guy: back to the 9 more a second, do you think that could be what the graffiti means?
[22:06] synthasiadale: What I meant by that was that each one had something unusual or different about at least one of their hands
[22:06] KyraSplash: Dale - what is the Human Interface Project? and have you contacted Peter Pfishtrap?
[22:06] synthasiadale: hold on too many questions at once
[22:06] synthasiadale: lol
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[22:06] SilverEyedDevine: ^_^ overwhelmed people i guess 
[22:06] Gupfee: finish up your thoughts about the guides, please
[22:07] synthasiadale: i clearly saw at last one of the figures with six fingers on one hand, another was missing his entire hand
[22:07] BarbarellaNY: what was different about the hands
[22:07] synthasiadale: others had unusual deformities, like hands permanently cramped into fists or claw sjaped forms
[22:07] synthasiadale: shaped*
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[22:08] heartheather73: arthritic hands like the photo at the library
[22:08] synthasiadale: But back to the point, there were more than nine of them
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[22:08] synthasiadale: on that side of the hall
[22:08] SilverEyedDevine: more?
[22:08] synthasiadale: so if they are the guides, which i think they are, they are not the nine
[22:09] the42guy: do you think the dead eyes are the nine and if it has any relevance to the graffiti?
[22:09] synthasiadale: Now someone asked about the numbered ones and the second ring
[22:09] synthasiadale: this actually ties into your question too 42guy
[22:10] the42guy: cool
[22:10] synthasiadale: From the guides message about Wes, I'm assuming the "numbered ones" are the same ones that Wes had been calling the dead eyes
[22:11] synthasiadale: The same people or beings leaving the strange graffiti symbol
[22:11] SilverEyedDevine: the ones all around us?
[22:11] synthasiadale: But again, I think they were the figures on the other side of the hallway from the guides
[22:12] synthasiadale: And there  were more than nine of them I think. I think I counted at least ten there although like I said before they were all dressed slightly differently from each other
[22:13] synthasiadale: And I'm not certain I counted correctly
[22:13] synthasiadale: One thing I noticed though
[22:14] synthasiadale: they all seemed to have the strange ringlike graffiti symbol somewhere on them
[22:14] heartheather73: Dale, I have been in contact with Bruce for over a month now, and he is very worried and upset that you won't answer his calls or email. Is there a reason you are ignoring your once best friend?
[22:15] synthasiadale: Once again, that is a tough question and I'm not sure how to answer it.
[22:16] heartheather73: in what ever way you can. 
[22:16] Sandra ctw: btw, not all of us trust Bruce. 
[22:16] synthasiadale: Let me just go over some facts with you first that may explain what's going on
[22:17] synthasiadale: I have known Bruce for years
[22:17] synthasiadale: We have shared many things
[22:17] synthasiadale: And relied on each other through many tough times
[22:18] synthasiadale: Bruce's face was the first thing I saw when I opened my eyes after the "accident"
[22:18] synthasiadale: But
[22:18] heartheather73: that must have been tough, to hear bad news from your best friend.
[22:18] SilverEyedDevine: ...yeah
[22:18] synthasiadale: When I was in Klepsydra something happened
[22:19] synthasiadale: You know, that mental facility I was in?
[22:19] Sandra ctw: We know.
[22:19] synthasiadale: I reached a point where I realized that, no matter how much I believed in my story, no one else ever would.
[22:20] synthasiadale: Christ, it still sounds crazy even to me :)
[22:20] Avrom18: Dale we recieved a letter from Digitails which mentioned that there is a betrayer that caused Wes to dissapear . Do you have any idea whom this might be?
[22:20] heartheather73: bruce has admitted having a very tough time understanding your version.
[22:20] synthasiadale: So I decided to do whatever I needed to to get out of there
[22:20] heartheather73: but he really wants to talk to you. please send him email.
[22:20] synthasiadale: and prove I was right
[22:20] SilverEyedDevine: it's people like him that riticles other people.. all of us believe you Dale.
[22:20] synthasiadale: Please let me finish
[22:21] Avrom18: sorry dale we will all wait our turn when you give the goahead we will go oneby one 
[22:21] synthasiadale: One day while in Klepsydra I asked the doctors to call Bruce in for a meeting, since he was my legal guardian at that point
[22:22] synthasiadale: In a private room with Bruce I told him that I had come to my senses and realized it was just the trauma I had gone through making me believe those things
[22:23] synthasiadale: And I asked him to get me out of there
[22:23] synthasiadale: He looked me right in my eyes and said "Of course, Dale, that's wonderful."
[22:23] synthasiadale: And then left.
[22:24] synthasiadale: After sitting there a few hours thinking I was going to be released I finally asked the doctors.
[22:24] synthasiadale: They told me Bruce didn't say anything about my change of mental state, and instead asked them how long I could be held
[22:25] SilverEyedDevine: ....evil.. thats completely evil
[22:25] synthasiadale: He refused to take any of my calls the rest of the time I was there after that
[22:25] Sandra ctw: Interesting.
[22:25] SilverEyedDevine: interesting and deceptive... 
[22:25] synthasiadale: It wasnt until you people found the movie clips from the park that the doctors finally agreed to release me
[22:26] synthasiadale: One point in all fairness
[22:26] synthasiadale: Bruce has since told me he did everything out of concern for me
[22:26] synthasiadale: Including keeping me in Klepsydra to keep me away from the Marzano's
[22:27] heartheather73: the Marzanos were after your hide, meaning you harm.
[22:27] synthasiadale: But until I can sit down and look him in the eyes and ask questions, I'm not taking any chances
[22:27] heartheather73: then have a sit down with him.
[22:27] SilverEyedDevine: that doesn't matter, Bruce coulda keep Dale elsewhere... 
[22:27] heartheather73: take Sam with you.
[22:27] Sandra ctw: Mind if we ask him questions? :-) 
[22:27] RaynardM: we assume they still are after you. thoughts on that? have you contacted them? 
[22:28] synthasiadale: My major concern with Bruce right now is exactly that - his connections to the Marzano's
[22:28] heartheather73: he claims YOU brought them to AnonymousFame.
[22:28] synthasiadale: They are definitely still looking for me
[22:28] SilverEyedDevine: i can definately see strong connections there.
[22:29] Sandra ctw: Dale, who brought them in as clients at AF?
[22:29] synthasiadale: Let me just say this, the Marzano's provided the initial funding for AnonymousFame, just like Synthasia. And Bruce brought me into AF after it was started
[22:30] Avrom18: Dale for your information: I am going to speak first than Dash followed by Maggie and than Kyra here is my question
[22:30] Avrom18: Dale we recieved a letter from Digitails which mentioned that there is a betrayer that caused Wes to dissapear . Do you have any idea whom that might be?
[22:30] Sandra ctw: Thank you, Dale. 
[22:31] synthasiadale: I dont know who alerted the dead eyes or numbered ones to the location of my return
[22:31] synthasiadale: For all we know it could be one of you
[22:31] synthasiadale: But we cant live in fear over it
[22:32] synthasiadale: We need to do something to find Wes instead
[22:32] synthasiadale: He seems to almost have anticipated something happening
[22:32] synthasiadale: That's why I think there may be something in his safe besides that notebook he mentioned
[22:32] SilverEyedDevine: yes, he seems to be a very perceptive man
[22:33] KyraSplash: we need him back
[22:33] synthasiadale: He seemed to think he may have found out who the "numbered ones" are
[22:33] synthasiadale: you know, the obscure book reference
[22:33] synthasiadale: Which is why Sam went to poke around the Library records tonight
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[22:34] synthasiadale: to see if Wes had taken out any "obscure" books lately
[22:34] maggiaem: Dale, those of us who have your 13 items are keeping them safe.  Do you have any ideas yet as to how they should be used or what we should be doing with them?
[22:36] synthasiadale: No thats something I'm still puzzled about
[22:36] synthasiadale: I have no idea who could have sent them to Meaghan or why
[22:36] maggiaem: Could it have been Sarah?
[22:37] maggiaem: She *did* call Meaghan 'little sister'...
[22:37] synthasiadale: Thats obviously a possibility; I can only assume they might mean something more as we go
[22:37] KyraSplash: Dale - could you go back a little bit...I was wondering what the Human Interface Project is? and have you contacted Peter Pfishtrap?
[22:37] maggiaem: *hugs* thanks Dale.  We will continue to guard them.
[22:38] synthasiadale: Ah, the Human Interface Project is something I was working on before all this started
[22:39] synthasiadale: Its basically an attempt to create an easy to use human "guide" for websites, business projects etc
[22:39] KyraSplash: that peter guy seems anxious to talk to you
[22:40] synthasiadale: By filming and digitizing a "talking head" and then incorporating into a "chatbot" type program, I was hoping to create an interactive navigation system
[22:40] SilverEyedDevine: and this urgency has been so recent, he seemed to appear out of the blue, and then emailling you the very next day, expressing his concern
[22:41] synthasiadale: you know, as your mosue rolled over certain things the guide would actually speak and explain things to you
[22:41] KyraSplash: good idea dale
[22:41] synthasiadale: I shopped the concept around to several people
[22:41] synthasiadale: Peter (Fishtrap is not his name BTW lol) was very interested in it for a project he was doing
[22:42] synthasiadale: A project that was very interesting in it's own right
[22:42] SilverEyedDevine: any idea why peter may be so concerned about HIP all of a sudden?
[22:43] synthasiadale: But unfortunately I'm under a NDA not to discuss it, that's why he was so upset with people reading my e-mail
[22:43] synthasiadale: I can tell you this though
[22:43] synthasiadale: His project involved an online component that he was interested in using the HIP for
[22:44] synthasiadale: but he was also on some kind of personal timeline for his project
[22:44] synthasiadale: I had kind of promised him I would be working on it by now
[22:44] synthasiadale: But as you know I've been kind of busy
[22:44] synthasiadale: I have a question for all of you before I go (it is getting late, at least here in Jersey)
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[22:44] the42guy: Dale, Sam found a note on your calender that said "Dale" and "Castle Green Rd." - What does that mean?  Who lives there, and where is it?
[22:45] Avrom18: An anonomous member of the group has asked "Do you think that the 13 items relate to a magical or witches circle and could we be expected to use it against the 9"
[22:45] synthasiadale: I'm pretty sure Sam already mentioned in an e-mail that neither of us know the significance of CASTLE GREEN RD
[22:45] synthasiadale: It doesnt seem to be a local address
[22:46] the42guy: why'd you wirte iet down? or did it just appeaR?
[22:46] the42guy: ignore my typos.  :-[
[22:46] synthasiadale: write what down? CASTLE GREEN RD?
[22:46] the42guy: ssorry, wes wrote it down
[22:46] the42guy: right?
[22:46] synthasiadale: I didnt write it down, Wes did. On  his deskpad, yes
[22:47] synthasiadale: Now back to my question
[22:47] the42guy: do you think the capitalization means anything?
[22:47] the42guy: okay, sorry
[22:47] synthasiadale: I dont know
[22:47] the42guy: okay
[22:47] synthasiadale: about the capitals that is
[22:47] the42guy: thank you so much
[22:48] Avrom18: FINAL QUESTION An anonomous member of the group has asked "Do you think that the 13 items relate to a magical or witches circle and could we be expected to use it against the 9"
[22:49] synthasiadale: I dont know what the 13 items are for yet, sorry
[22:49] Avrom18: and you said you had one finalquestion for us what would this be
[22:50] synthasiadale: Has anyone managed to figure out any of the strange symbols on either the manuscript page or the disc Wes found? Some of them seem very familiar but I haven't found exact matches yet, except of course for the seven pointed star
[22:50] synthasiadale: That seems to be a pretty common symbol in fantasy and faery related literature
[22:50] Gupfee: the symbols on the disk are too hard to make out
[22:51] Gupfee: we have never seen a clean image of it
[22:51] heartheather73: the symbols on the front of the manuscript page look an awful lot like the old shorthand that secretaries used when taking dictation.
[22:51] Becca MacT: I think we're in the same boat as far as finding similarities but no matches. But learned a helluva lot in the process:)
[22:51] BarbarellaNY: I keep thinking I have seen some of  the manuscrpt ones, but others don't fit
[22:51] synthasiadale: has anyone found any relevance to the fairy connection?
[22:51] Prettycolors62: I was wondering if it could be a language of angels like enochian sigules
[22:51] heartheather73: and some guy named Colin Penrose has been searching for this manuscript, calling it the "Fourth Book".
[22:51] LittleShortGuy99: also, the writing on the manuscript looks very similar to some old phillipines/indonesian writing
[22:51] Gupfee: would there be anything in your cluesearch material?
[22:51] BarbarellaNY: they are everywhere
[22:52] KyraSplash: any suggestions as to something we can search in CLUESEARCH Dale?
[22:52] Dashcat7: Do you think the nine might have something to do with the 9 sacred trees in Diana's Grove? 
[22:52] synthasiadale: an awful lot of stuff I found while researching before seemed to connect fairies with travelling between worlds and other things we seem to be dealing with
[22:53] BarbarellaNY: yes
[22:53] synthasiadale: I dont remember all the sites I visited during that time however
[22:53] BarbarellaNY:  and the tarot cards you sent out
[22:53] synthasiadale: But the cluesearch engine automatically scans my History caches and adds stuff to its database
[22:53] synthasiadale: there may be something in there that could help
[22:54] KyraSplash: any keywords Dale?
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[22:57] synthasiadale: unfortunately it doesnt work like that; I havent put specific words in there as triggers for you to find
[22:57] synthasiadale: instead it automatically searches anything I find on the net as well as results from Search Engine "spiders" it accesses
[22:57] synthasiadale: If I knew something was particularly relevant I could add it as a trigger
[22:58] synthasiadale: but unfortunately half the time I dont know its important until  later on
[22:58] synthasiadale: after finding other things
[22:58] KyraSplash: thanks Dale.
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[20:43] synthasiadale: As you'll see, some of it I can't really explain, so I'm not going to try to
[20:43] synthasiadale: Just relate it to you to start with and we'll take it from there
[20:44] synthasiadale: As many of you know, I tried calling several people on my cell phone as I approached the cemetery 
[20:44] synthasiadale: I managed to talk to a couple of people even though a few others I actually got voicemail for
[20:44] synthasiadale: Thanks a lot
[20:44] synthasiadale: just kidding :)
[20:44] RaynardM: sorry dale
[20:45] synthasiadale: Is there anyone here I talked to that night?
[20:45] lorgana1: i am 
[20:45] vraal1: I didn't hear from you, no.
[20:45] lorgana1: I'm Michelle (Varin)
[20:45] lorgana1: you called me at work
[20:45] synthasiadale: Good, I just wanted to personally thank you, that's all
[20:45] lorgana1: i guess you found the correct plot#?
[20:46] lorgana1: no prob
[20:46] synthasiadale: I had a little trouble finding the actual cemetery plot I was supposed to be at
[20:47] synthasiadale: As I looked around for it, I couldnt help feeling someone was watching me
[20:48] synthasiadale: Like someone or something was just at the edge of my sight
[20:48] synthasiadale: But I could never quite see anything directly
[20:49] synthasiadale: Does anyone know, is there a limit to the number of people who can be in here?
[20:50] synthasiadale: I have several people IM'ing me trying to get in but can't
[20:50] Avrom18: I dont think there is a limit Dale
[20:50] Avrom18: who are they
[20:50] synthasiadale: tartanwolf2
[20:50] synthasiadale: kingofhugs
[20:50] Eulalie6: you have to be invited .. 
[20:50] synthasiadale: I tried inviting them
[20:50] Avrom18: I just did the same
[20:50] Veen98: the room is full
[20:51] Eulalie6: hmm
[20:51] Eulalie6: it does seem there is a limit
[20:51] jamesidude: this room is full?
[20:51] * jamesidude clears up some space
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[20:51] synthasiadale: Sorry for the interruption
[20:51] Avrom18: thats ok
[20:52] synthasiadale: I finally found the right plot, even though the name on the stone was worn away and hard to read
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[20:53] synthasiadale: I had expected a guide or someone to be there to point the way or something but there was no one, just the tombstone and me
[20:53] synthasiadale: As I crouched before it I heard footsteps coming up behind me
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[20:54] KingOHugs: whoa
[20:54] synthasiadale: and turned to see shadowy figures approaching slowly
[20:54] heartheather73: there might be a limit in AIM
[20:54] synthasiadale: I couldnt make them out clearly either but felt very threatened by their approach and started to panic
[20:55] vraal1: Methinks Dale, you should take your next spooky trip with a BlairWitch-esque camera
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[20:55] synthasiadale: And as I did there was a strange light that seemed to come from within the stone and I was gone suddenly and violently
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[20:56] synthasiadale: Its hard to describe but next there were a series of images, quickly flashing, and overlapping as they went
[20:57] synthasiadale: It's almost funny now but I honestly thought "So this is what it's like to die"
[20:57] synthasiadale: Anyway I saw several things
[20:59] synthasiadale: A blue figure in blue light walking toward me, with wings like an angel but that made me very very frightened as he came towards me
[20:59] synthasiadale: A child standing in a doorway, turning to look back at me, before he walked through into blinding red light
[21:00] synthasiadale: Symbols carved into walls and stones and people's flesh
[21:00] Eulalie6: ouch
[21:01] synthasiadale: And watches clocks and timepieces of all sorts from throughout history
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[21:02] synthasiadale: Suddenly I was in a dark hallway lined on each side by quiet still figures
[21:03] synthasiadale: On one side were men in long robes, their faces hidden in shadows and each holding their hands or arms in strange somewhat distinctive positions
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[21:04] synthasiadale: On the other were men in different forms of dress, all with deep dark eyes and silver rings on each of their crossed hands they held before them
[21:04] vraal1: Sounds like the village people doing the YMCA
[21:04] Eulalie6: ring raiths
[21:05] synthasiadale: Without a word they watched me go down the hall, and from the hallway I emerged into a room, an oval sphere of some sort
[21:06] synthasiadale: As I turned to look back to the hall it was gone and the room filled with some strange liquid that burned my lungs as i breathed it in
[21:07] synthasiadale: As I fought my way to the surface I saw a beautiful woman dancing atop the waves
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[21:07] synthasiadale: As she moved her movements caused winds to swirl and from those winds a form took shape
[21:08] synthasiadale: It was a snake that entwined with her as she danced
[21:08] synthasiadale: Eventually their forms merged until all that remained was a glowing egglike form
[21:09] synthasiadale: As it began to crack I found myself somewhere else
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[21:10] synthasiadale: A valley warm and sunny. There was a young man there, seated on an ebony couch with a crown of flowers around his head
[21:10] synthasiadale: Behind him sat another man, crouched in a black cloak and dark, shining armor
[21:11] synthasiadale: His face was deathly white and his eyes focused intently on an hourglass before him
[21:11] synthasiadale: And then again I was somewhere else
[21:12] synthasiadale: A dark forest and I'm running sweaty and scared
[21:12] synthasiadale: Around me, nine ghostly white shapes tinged with red are running furiously, right beside me and getting closer by the moment
[21:14] synthasiadale: They are herding me towards something and as they get closer I see their ears, burning red like flames and their eyes, black as the night
[21:15] synthasiadale: And then, somewhere else again, this time the banks of a river
[21:16] synthasiadale: The river is drying up and there are several swans struggling onto the bank
[21:16] synthasiadale: There is a woman standing there playing a musical instrument of some kind, singing a sad song lamenting the river's death
[21:16] synthasiadale: Above her, in the sky are five suns
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[21:17] synthasiadale: One by one each is extinguished
[21:17] synthasiadale: Until only one remains
[21:17] synthasiadale: And then finally
[21:17] synthasiadale: I am on the shore of a small lake
[21:18] synthasiadale: It seems to be modern times and I see people walking along and sitting by the lake
[21:18] synthasiadale: I approach them but no one seems to take notice of me
[21:18] synthasiadale: And then I recognize one of the people
[21:19] synthasiadale: It is Diana
[21:19] synthasiadale: Standing beside the lake with a baby in her arms
[21:19] synthasiadale: She is crying
[21:19] synthasiadale: I try to reach for her but it's like I'm not there
[21:20] synthasiadale: For some reason I close my eyes and when I open them I standing in trees
[21:20] synthasiadale: And Diana is there again, this time with Meaghan as she was shortly before the accident
[21:21] synthasiadale: Meaghan is playing on the ground beside Diana as she talks on her cell phone
[21:21] synthasiadale: I cant hear what she is saying
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[21:22] synthasiadale: Her back is turned slightly to Meaghan and I see someone else, a young thin girl with pale skin walk up to Meaghan
[21:23] synthasiadale: Diana seems oblivious to this girl, who squats down besides Meaghan and says, "My little sister. We have so much in common but different paths to walk."
[21:24] synthasiadale: You will be leaving this world at the same age I came to it, yet we both carry the same burden and promise
[21:24] synthasiadale: With that Diana seems to take notice of the girl and quickly asks her what she is doing
[21:26] synthasiadale: To which the young girl replies, "Without guilt you have betrayed him. Protect your daughter. She will need you soon."
[21:27] synthasiadale: And then I was alone in a small darkened room with this girl with pale skin and large brown eyes
[21:28] synthasiadale: The room was filled with artwork and sculptures and books 
[21:28] synthasiadale: The walls themselves were covered everywhere with symbols and pictures, words and phrases
[21:28] Eulalie6: sarah???
[21:29] synthasiadale: The girl was looking around cautiously, as if afraid
[21:30] synthasiadale: I watched her as she carefully took a brush and did something to the bottom of some paintings, as if signing her name
[21:30] synthasiadale: Next she unwrapped a small object from a cloth
[21:31] synthasiadale: And then another and another until three items were set before her
[21:31] synthasiadale: One was a round disc, if not the same, very similar to the one Wes found
[21:32] synthasiadale: It had symbols on it I couldnt quite make out except for the 7 pointed star in the middle
[21:32] Avrom18: Dale do you remember what the painting looked like or what the name that was signed said?
[21:32] synthasiadale: Next to it was a staff or stick of some sort about eight inches long
[21:33] synthasiadale: Please hold on before asking me questions OK?
[21:33] Avrom18: oksorry
[21:33] synthasiadale: At each end was a stone of some type and entwined around it were vines or leaves I think
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[21:35] synthasiadale: And finally there was a mask of some sort. It seemed to have wings or something coming from the hair and ribbons or threads hanging down around it
[21:36] synthasiadale: After placing the three objects before her, she turned at last to me and said, "You came seeking a way to find that which you have lost."
[21:38] synthasiadale: Like the one before me, I have left a means for you to find the way. You must believe. In belief there is power, more than you can even know.
[21:38] synthasiadale: The nine can move between but have lost their way
[21:39] synthasiadale: Restore them to what they were and you shall be rewarded
[21:40] synthasiadale: And then she said "Veritas Occultum" and repeated it three times
[21:40] synthasiadale: as if to be sure I had heard her right
[21:41] synthasiadale: Finally, she said, when this is done, these three items will call me and the way will again be opened
[21:41] synthasiadale: You will find what you have lost
[21:42] synthasiadale: And that was it, crazy as it sounds
[21:42] Avrom18: wow you have been through a lot
[21:42] synthasiadale: Next thing I knew I was waking up in the ashes of my burned out home, and barely managed to make it over to Sam's house
[21:42] synthasiadale: where i have been since
[21:43] synthasiadale: Now before I get bombarded with questions as to what it all means
[21:44] synthasiadale: I havent had a whole lot of time to research any of the strange parts in the beginning; off the top of my head there's nothing that jumps out at me
[21:44] synthasiadale: Or I should say rings any bells with me
[21:44] BarbarellaNY: lol
[21:45] synthasiadale: But the later parts I definitely have ideas about
[21:45] synthasiadale: Starting with the girl
[21:45] RaynardM: what are your ideas?
[21:45] synthasiadale: As many of you have probably guessed I'm pretty sure it was Sarah Wyatt
[21:46] lirath: Dale, what words/phrases/symbols did you see in Sarah's room?
[21:46] Eulalie6: ok all i HAVE to sleep please post a transcipt
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[21:46] synthasiadale: And I'm pretty certain the paintings she was working on were the ones that Phyllis supposedly found in that old trunk
[21:47] synthasiadale: Just like I think that the disc she made was the one Wes found in the Pine Barrens
[21:48] synthasiadale: And obviously, the Latin phrase she repeated "Veritas Occultum", seems to be taken directly from the manuscript pages from the same trunk
[21:48] KingOHugs: Dale, you said she told you "the nine have lost their way"...any thoughts?  we're guessing these are the guids, yo useem to have the most contact with them...any idea WHAT they need help with?
[21:48] synthasiadale: Keep your questions for just a couple more minutes please and then I'll trey and answer them
[21:49] KingOHugs: of course
[21:49] synthasiadale: Just a couple more things I want to point out
[21:50] synthasiadale: I'm thinking that Sarah is obviously pointing us towards the manuscript page from that trunk and I'm thinking we need to get our hands on it somehow
[21:50] synthasiadale: In the same way it seems that the disc is significant in some way
[21:50] synthasiadale: I sure which Wes hadn't sold it
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[21:51] synthasiadale: Thats why I really want to get into that safe
[21:51] LittleShortGuy99: hello!
[21:51] synthasiadale: To help us track down the disc
[21:52] synthasiadale: But it seems once again, Wes might have been too clever for his own good
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[21:52] vraal1: ah so you've seen his... notes.
[21:52] synthasiadale: Yes of course
[21:53] synthasiadale: But I havent gotten anywhere with it either yet
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[21:53] synthasiadale: The one thing that I wanted to be sure to say is this
[21:54] synthasiadale: I asked the guides for "a way to find my family" and was expecting to be able to see them or talk to them at least, Diana and Meaghan, I mean
[21:55] synthasiadale: Instead, I got again exactly what I asked for - a way to find them only, not Diana and Meaghan themselves
[21:55] synthasiadale: It seems these guides either play by the same rules as "the Wish" or at least share the same twisted sense of humor
[21:56] synthasiadale: I guess what I'm trying to say is be careful in your dealings with them. They seem to have their own agenda in all of this
[21:56] synthasiadale: Now, I know that was way long. Whose got questions for me?
[21:57] BarbarellaNY: Dale
[21:57] lirath: hi dale - can you describe the phrases, words and symbols in Sarah's room?
[21:57] BarbarellaNY: when you first saw Diana with the baby
[21:57] BarbarellaNY: was that Meagan as an infant?
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[21:58] synthasiadale: the first question is tough, the walls, ceilings, floor, etc of the room the girl was in was literally covered with stuff and very dark
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[21:58] synthasiadale: I cant pick anything out of my memory that stands out, sorry
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[21:59] synthasiadale: I'm not sure if the baby Diana was holding was Meaghan, I mean I think so but her back was somewhat turned to me and Diana seemed somehow different to me
[21:59] KyraSplash: Where is Sam? Any ideas yet on how to get Wes back or where he's gone?
[22:00] BarbarellaNY: How different dale
[22:00] synthasiadale: Its strange, the way Diana looked by that lake
[22:00] BarbarellaNY: ?
[22:00] synthasiadale: It wasnt like anytime I can remember her looking since we have been togther
[22:01] synthasiadale: I cant put my finger on any one thing though
[22:01] BarbarellaNY: hmmm
[22:01] synthasiadale: Sam
[22:01] BarbarellaNY: not your memories from when Meaghan was born?
[22:01] synthasiadale: Sam has been doing a little snooping trying to help us solve Wes' safe puzzle
[22:01] Dashcat7: Dale, who do you think the nine are? Are they the Guides? And who are the "numbered ones"
[22:01] synthasiadale: No to your question Barbarella
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[22:02] the42guy: Dale, do you think the nine... give a certain significance to the mystery graffiti?
[22:02] synthasiadale: Dashcat: I dont think the nine are the guides
[22:03] synthasiadale: For some reason I think the guides may be the people in robes on the one side of the hallway i went through
[22:03] Gupfee: was digitalis there?
[22:04] synthasiadale: You have been paying attention :) 
[22:04] Gupfee: we got email from digitalis, a guide, and he said something about the "2nd ring"
[22:04] synthasiadale: One of the figures on that side Im pretty sure was digitalis even though a hood obscured his face somewhat
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[22:04] Gupfee: did all the guides have 6 fingers?
[22:05] synthasiadale: No i dont think so but i couldnt see all their hands
[22:05] RaynardM: on that note, do you remember the "distinctive positions" their hands were in?
[22:05] the42guy: back to the 9 more a second, do you think that could be what the graffiti means?
[22:06] synthasiadale: What I meant by that was that each one had something unusual or different about at least one of their hands
[22:06] KyraSplash: Dale - what is the Human Interface Project? and have you contacted Peter Pfishtrap?
[22:06] synthasiadale: hold on too many questions at once
[22:06] synthasiadale: lol
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[22:06] SilverEyedDevine: ^_^ overwhelmed people i guess 
[22:06] Gupfee: finish up your thoughts about the guides, please
[22:07] synthasiadale: i clearly saw at last one of the figures with six fingers on one hand, another was missing his entire hand
[22:07] BarbarellaNY: what was different about the hands
[22:07] synthasiadale: others had unusual deformities, like hands permanently cramped into fists or claw sjaped forms
[22:07] synthasiadale: shaped*
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[22:08] heartheather73: arthritic hands like the photo at the library
[22:08] synthasiadale: But back to the point, there were more than nine of them
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[22:08] synthasiadale: on that side of the hall
[22:08] SilverEyedDevine: more?
[22:08] synthasiadale: so if they are the guides, which i think they are, they are not the nine
[22:09] the42guy: do you think the dead eyes are the nine and if it has any relevance to the graffiti?
[22:09] synthasiadale: Now someone asked about the numbered ones and the second ring
[22:09] synthasiadale: this actually ties into your question too 42guy
[22:10] the42guy: cool
[22:10] synthasiadale: From the guides message about Wes, I'm assuming the "numbered ones" are the same ones that Wes had been calling the dead eyes
[22:11] synthasiadale: The same people or beings leaving the strange graffiti symbol
[22:11] SilverEyedDevine: the ones all around us?
[22:11] synthasiadale: But again, I think they were the figures on the other side of the hallway from the guides
[22:12] synthasiadale: And there  were more than nine of them I think. I think I counted at least ten there although like I said before they were all dressed slightly differently from each other
[22:13] synthasiadale: And I'm not certain I counted correctly
[22:13] synthasiadale: One thing I noticed though
[22:14] synthasiadale: they all seemed to have the strange ringlike graffiti symbol somewhere on them
[22:14] heartheather73: Dale, I have been in contact with Bruce for over a month now, and he is very worried and upset that you won't answer his calls or email. Is there a reason you are ignoring your once best friend?
[22:15] synthasiadale: Once again, that is a tough question and I'm not sure how to answer it.
[22:16] heartheather73: in what ever way you can. 
[22:16] Sandra ctw: btw, not all of us trust Bruce. 
[22:16] synthasiadale: Let me just go over some facts with you first that may explain what's going on
[22:17] synthasiadale: I have known Bruce for years
[22:17] synthasiadale: We have shared many things
[22:17] synthasiadale: And relied on each other through many tough times
[22:18] synthasiadale: Bruce's face was the first thing I saw when I opened my eyes after the "accident"
[22:18] synthasiadale: But
[22:18] heartheather73: that must have been tough, to hear bad news from your best friend.
[22:18] SilverEyedDevine: ...yeah
[22:18] synthasiadale: When I was in Klepsydra something happened
[22:19] synthasiadale: You know, that mental facility I was in?
[22:19] Sandra ctw: We know.
[22:19] synthasiadale: I reached a point where I realized that, no matter how much I believed in my story, no one else ever would.
[22:20] synthasiadale: Christ, it still sounds crazy even to me :)
[22:20] Avrom18: Dale we recieved a letter from Digitails which mentioned that there is a betrayer that caused Wes to dissapear . Do you have any idea whom this might be?
[22:20] heartheather73: bruce has admitted having a very tough time understanding your version.
[22:20] synthasiadale: So I decided to do whatever I needed to to get out of there
[22:20] heartheather73: but he really wants to talk to you. please send him email.
[22:20] synthasiadale: and prove I was right
[22:20] SilverEyedDevine: it's people like him that riticles other people.. all of us believe you Dale.
[22:20] synthasiadale: Please let me finish
[22:21] Avrom18: sorry dale we will all wait our turn when you give the goahead we will go oneby one 
[22:21] synthasiadale: One day while in Klepsydra I asked the doctors to call Bruce in for a meeting, since he was my legal guardian at that point
[22:22] synthasiadale: In a private room with Bruce I told him that I had come to my senses and realized it was just the trauma I had gone through making me believe those things
[22:23] synthasiadale: And I asked him to get me out of there
[22:23] synthasiadale: He looked me right in my eyes and said "Of course, Dale, that's wonderful."
[22:23] synthasiadale: And then left.
[22:24] synthasiadale: After sitting there a few hours thinking I was going to be released I finally asked the doctors.
[22:24] synthasiadale: They told me Bruce didn't say anything about my change of mental state, and instead asked them how long I could be held
[22:25] SilverEyedDevine: ....evil.. thats completely evil
[22:25] synthasiadale: He refused to take any of my calls the rest of the time I was there after that
[22:25] Sandra ctw: Interesting.
[22:25] SilverEyedDevine: interesting and deceptive... 
[22:25] synthasiadale: It wasnt until you people found the movie clips from the park that the doctors finally agreed to release me
[22:26] synthasiadale: One point in all fairness
[22:26] synthasiadale: Bruce has since told me he did everything out of concern for me
[22:26] synthasiadale: Including keeping me in Klepsydra to keep me away from the Marzano's
[22:27] heartheather73: the Marzanos were after your hide, meaning you harm.
[22:27] synthasiadale: But until I can sit down and look him in the eyes and ask questions, I'm not taking any chances
[22:27] heartheather73: then have a sit down with him.
[22:27] SilverEyedDevine: that doesn't matter, Bruce coulda keep Dale elsewhere... 
[22:27] heartheather73: take Sam with you.
[22:27] Sandra ctw: Mind if we ask him questions? :-) 
[22:27] RaynardM: we assume they still are after you. thoughts on that? have you contacted them? 
[22:28] synthasiadale: My major concern with Bruce right now is exactly that - his connections to the Marzano's
[22:28] heartheather73: he claims YOU brought them to AnonymousFame.
[22:28] synthasiadale: They are definitely still looking for me
[22:28] SilverEyedDevine: i can definately see strong connections there.
[22:29] Sandra ctw: Dale, who brought them in as clients at AF?
[22:29] synthasiadale: Let me just say this, the Marzano's provided the initial funding for AnonymousFame, just like Synthasia. And Bruce brought me into AF after it was started
[22:30] Avrom18: Dale for your information: I am going to speak first than Dash followed by Maggie and than Kyra here is my question
[22:30] Avrom18: Dale we recieved a letter from Digitails which mentioned that there is a betrayer that caused Wes to dissapear . Do you have any idea whom that might be?
[22:30] Sandra ctw: Thank you, Dale. 
[22:31] synthasiadale: I dont know who alerted the dead eyes or numbered ones to the location of my return
[22:31] synthasiadale: For all we know it could be one of you
[22:31] synthasiadale: But we cant live in fear over it
[22:32] synthasiadale: We need to do something to find Wes instead
[22:32] synthasiadale: He seems to almost have anticipated something happening
[22:32] synthasiadale: That's why I think there may be something in his safe besides that notebook he mentioned
[22:32] SilverEyedDevine: yes, he seems to be a very perceptive man
[22:33] KyraSplash: we need him back
[22:33] synthasiadale: He seemed to think he may have found out who the "numbered ones" are
[22:33] synthasiadale: you know, the obscure book reference
[22:33] synthasiadale: Which is why Sam went to poke around the Library records tonight
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[22:34] synthasiadale: to see if Wes had taken out any "obscure" books lately
[22:34] maggiaem: Dale, those of us who have your 13 items are keeping them safe.  Do you have any ideas yet as to how they should be used or what we should be doing with them?
[22:36] synthasiadale: No thats something I'm still puzzled about
[22:36] synthasiadale: I have no idea who could have sent them to Meaghan or why
[22:36] maggiaem: Could it have been Sarah?
[22:37] maggiaem: She *did* call Meaghan 'little sister'...
[22:37] synthasiadale: Thats obviously a possibility; I can only assume they might mean something more as we go
[22:37] KyraSplash: Dale - could you go back a little bit...I was wondering what the Human Interface Project is? and have you contacted Peter Pfishtrap?
[22:37] maggiaem: *hugs* thanks Dale.  We will continue to guard them.
[22:38] synthasiadale: Ah, the Human Interface Project is something I was working on before all this started
[22:39] synthasiadale: Its basically an attempt to create an easy to use human "guide" for websites, business projects etc
[22:39] KyraSplash: that peter guy seems anxious to talk to you
[22:40] synthasiadale: By filming and digitizing a "talking head" and then incorporating into a "chatbot" type program, I was hoping to create an interactive navigation system
[22:40] SilverEyedDevine: and this urgency has been so recent, he seemed to appear out of the blue, and then emailling you the very next day, expressing his concern
[22:41] synthasiadale: you know, as your mosue rolled over certain things the guide would actually speak and explain things to you
[22:41] KyraSplash: good idea dale
[22:41] synthasiadale: I shopped the concept around to several people
[22:41] synthasiadale: Peter (Fishtrap is not his name BTW lol) was very interested in it for a project he was doing
[22:42] synthasiadale: A project that was very interesting in it's own right
[22:42] SilverEyedDevine: any idea why peter may be so concerned about HIP all of a sudden?
[22:43] synthasiadale: But unfortunately I'm under a NDA not to discuss it, that's why he was so upset with people reading my e-mail
[22:43] synthasiadale: I can tell you this though
[22:43] synthasiadale: His project involved an online component that he was interested in using the HIP for
[22:44] synthasiadale: but he was also on some kind of personal timeline for his project
[22:44] synthasiadale: I had kind of promised him I would be working on it by now
[22:44] synthasiadale: But as you know I've been kind of busy
[22:44] synthasiadale: I have a question for all of you before I go (it is getting late, at least here in Jersey)
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[22:44] the42guy: Dale, Sam found a note on your calender that said "Dale" and "Castle Green Rd." - What does that mean?  Who lives there, and where is it?
[22:45] Avrom18: An anonomous member of the group has asked "Do you think that the 13 items relate to a magical or witches circle and could we be expected to use it against the 9"
[22:45] synthasiadale: I'm pretty sure Sam already mentioned in an e-mail that neither of us know the significance of CASTLE GREEN RD
[22:45] synthasiadale: It doesnt seem to be a local address
[22:46] the42guy: why'd you wirte iet down? or did it just appeaR?
[22:46] the42guy: ignore my typos.  :-[
[22:46] synthasiadale: write what down? CASTLE GREEN RD?
[22:46] the42guy: ssorry, wes wrote it down
[22:46] the42guy: right?
[22:46] synthasiadale: I didnt write it down, Wes did. On  his deskpad, yes
[22:47] synthasiadale: Now back to my question
[22:47] the42guy: do you think the capitalization means anything?
[22:47] the42guy: okay, sorry
[22:47] synthasiadale: I dont know
[22:47] the42guy: okay
[22:47] synthasiadale: about the capitals that is
[22:47] the42guy: thank you so much
[22:48] Avrom18: FINAL QUESTION An anonomous member of the group has asked "Do you think that the 13 items relate to a magical or witches circle and could we be expected to use it against the 9"
[22:49] synthasiadale: I dont know what the 13 items are for yet, sorry
[22:49] Avrom18: and you said you had one finalquestion for us what would this be
[22:50] synthasiadale: Has anyone managed to figure out any of the strange symbols on either the manuscript page or the disc Wes found? Some of them seem very familiar but I haven't found exact matches yet, except of course for the seven pointed star
[22:50] synthasiadale: That seems to be a pretty common symbol in fantasy and faery related literature
[22:50] Gupfee: the symbols on the disk are too hard to make out
[22:51] Gupfee: we have never seen a clean image of it
[22:51] heartheather73: the symbols on the front of the manuscript page look an awful lot like the old shorthand that secretaries used when taking dictation.
[22:51] Becca MacT: I think we're in the same boat as far as finding similarities but no matches. But learned a helluva lot in the process:)
[22:51] BarbarellaNY: I keep thinking I have seen some of  the manuscrpt ones, but others don't fit
[22:51] synthasiadale: has anyone found any relevance to the fairy connection?
[22:51] Prettycolors62: I was wondering if it could be a language of angels like enochian sigules
[22:51] heartheather73: and some guy named Colin Penrose has been searching for this manuscript, calling it the "Fourth Book".
[22:51] LittleShortGuy99: also, the writing on the manuscript looks very similar to some old phillipines/indonesian writing
[22:51] Gupfee: would there be anything in your cluesearch material?
[22:51] BarbarellaNY: they are everywhere
[22:52] KyraSplash: any suggestions as to something we can search in CLUESEARCH Dale?
[22:52] Dashcat7: Do you think the nine might have something to do with the 9 sacred trees in Diana's Grove? 
[22:52] synthasiadale: an awful lot of stuff I found while researching before seemed to connect fairies with travelling between worlds and other things we seem to be dealing with
[22:53] BarbarellaNY: yes
[22:53] synthasiadale: I dont remember all the sites I visited during that time however
[22:53] BarbarellaNY:  and the tarot cards you sent out
[22:53] synthasiadale: But the cluesearch engine automatically scans my History caches and adds stuff to its database
[22:53] synthasiadale: there may be something in there that could help
[22:54] KyraSplash: any keywords Dale?
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[22:57] synthasiadale: unfortunately it doesnt work like that; I havent put specific words in there as triggers for you to find
[22:57] synthasiadale: instead it automatically searches anything I find on the net as well as results from Search Engine "spiders" it accesses
[22:57] synthasiadale: If I knew something was particularly relevant I could add it as a trigger
[22:58] synthasiadale: but unfortunately half the time I dont know its important until  later on
[22:58] synthasiadale: after finding other things
[22:58] KyraSplash: thanks Dale.
[22:59] synthasiadale: OK I'm going to go. I'm determined to get into Wes' safe asap. I need to find another way to approach his damn clue
[22:59] BarbarellaNY: Good luck
[22:59] heartheather73: Just try to "Think", Dale.
[22:59] RaynardM: good luck
[22:59] lirath: hand could be 4 - four inches
[22:59] heartheather73: Think like Wes.
[22:59] hcarroll103: Good luck 
[22:59] synthasiadale: Please let me know if you guys come up with anything
[22:59] Avrom18: ok dale thank you for your time
[22:59] KyraSplash: good luck and good night Dale!
[22:59] BarbarellaNY: Have you tried 100 for the flower?
[22:59] LittleShortGuy99: thanks dale
[22:59] tartanwolf2: good night dale and good luck.:-)
[23:00] Avrom18: lets do this again sometime
[23:00] hojo forensic: good luck dale
[23:00] Sandra ctw: Thank you, Dale. Say "hi" to Sam for us. 
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[23:00] the42guy: good luck dale
[23:00] Dashcat7: Goodnite Dale
[23:00] Prettycolors62: good nite dale
[23:00] Prettycolors62: take care
[23:00] BatLady1213: good nite
[23:00] Prettycolors62: sleep sweet
[23:00] synthasiadale: goodnight
[23:00] BarbarellaNY: be careful
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[20:43] synthasiadale: As you'll see, some of it I can't really explain, so I'm not going to try to
[20:43] synthasiadale: Just relate it to you to start with and we'll take it from there
[20:44] synthasiadale: As many of you know, I tried calling several people on my cell phone as I approached the cemetery 
[20:44] synthasiadale: I managed to talk to a couple of people even though a few others I actually got voicemail for
[20:44] synthasiadale: Thanks a lot
[20:44] synthasiadale: just kidding :)
[20:44] RaynardM: sorry dale
[20:45] synthasiadale: Is there anyone here I talked to that night?
[20:45] lorgana1: i am 
[20:45] vraal1: I didn't hear from you, no.
[20:45] lorgana1: I'm Michelle (Varin)
[20:45] lorgana1: you called me at work
[20:45] synthasiadale: Good, I just wanted to personally thank you, that's all
[20:45] lorgana1: i guess you found the correct plot#?
[20:46] lorgana1: no prob
[20:46] synthasiadale: I had a little trouble finding the actual cemetery plot I was supposed to be at
[20:47] synthasiadale: As I looked around for it, I couldnt help feeling someone was watching me
[20:48] synthasiadale: Like someone or something was just at the edge of my sight
[20:48] synthasiadale: But I could never quite see anything directly
[20:49] synthasiadale: Does anyone know, is there a limit to the number of people who can be in here?
[20:50] synthasiadale: I have several people IM'ing me trying to get in but can't
[20:50] Avrom18: I dont think there is a limit Dale
[20:50] Avrom18: who are they
[20:50] synthasiadale: tartanwolf2
[20:50] synthasiadale: kingofhugs
[20:50] Eulalie6: you have to be invited .. 
[20:50] synthasiadale: I tried inviting them
[20:50] Avrom18: I just did the same
[20:50] Veen98: the room is full
[20:51] Eulalie6: hmm
[20:51] Eulalie6: it does seem there is a limit
[20:51] jamesidude: this room is full?
[20:51] * jamesidude clears up some space
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[20:51] synthasiadale: Sorry for the interruption
[20:51] Avrom18: thats ok
[20:52] synthasiadale: I finally found the right plot, even though the name on the stone was worn away and hard to read
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[20:53] synthasiadale: I had expected a guide or someone to be there to point the way or something but there was no one, just the tombstone and me
[20:53] synthasiadale: As I crouched before it I heard footsteps coming up behind me
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[20:54] KingOHugs: whoa
[20:54] synthasiadale: and turned to see shadowy figures approaching slowly
[20:54] heartheather73: there might be a limit in AIM
[20:54] synthasiadale: I couldnt make them out clearly either but felt very threatened by their approach and started to panic
[20:55] vraal1: Methinks Dale, you should take your next spooky trip with a BlairWitch-esque camera
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[20:55] synthasiadale: And as I did there was a strange light that seemed to come from within the stone and I was gone suddenly and violently
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[20:56] synthasiadale: Its hard to describe but next there were a series of images, quickly flashing, and overlapping as they went
[20:57] synthasiadale: It's almost funny now but I honestly thought "So this is what it's like to die"
[20:57] synthasiadale: Anyway I saw several things
[20:59] synthasiadale: A blue figure in blue light walking toward me, with wings like an angel but that made me very very frightened as he came towards me
[20:59] synthasiadale: A child standing in a doorway, turning to look back at me, before he walked through into blinding red light
[21:00] synthasiadale: Symbols carved into walls and stones and people's flesh
[21:00] Eulalie6: ouch
[21:01] synthasiadale: And watches clocks and timepieces of all sorts from throughout history
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[21:02] synthasiadale: Suddenly I was in a dark hallway lined on each side by quiet still figures
[21:03] synthasiadale: On one side were men in long robes, their faces hidden in shadows and each holding their hands or arms in strange somewhat distinctive positions
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[21:04] synthasiadale: On the other were men in different forms of dress, all with deep dark eyes and silver rings on each of their crossed hands they held before them
[21:04] vraal1: Sounds like the village people doing the YMCA
[21:04] Eulalie6: ring raiths
[21:05] synthasiadale: Without a word they watched me go down the hall, and from the hallway I emerged into a room, an oval sphere of some sort
[21:06] synthasiadale: As I turned to look back to the hall it was gone and the room filled with some strange liquid that burned my lungs as i breathed it in
[21:07] synthasiadale: As I fought my way to the surface I saw a beautiful woman dancing atop the waves
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[21:07] synthasiadale: As she moved her movements caused winds to swirl and from those winds a form took shape
[21:08] synthasiadale: It was a snake that entwined with her as she danced
[21:08] synthasiadale: Eventually their forms merged until all that remained was a glowing egglike form
[21:09] synthasiadale: As it began to crack I found myself somewhere else
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[21:10] synthasiadale: A valley warm and sunny. There was a young man there, seated on an ebony couch with a crown of flowers around his head
[21:10] synthasiadale: Behind him sat another man, crouched in a black cloak and dark, shining armor
[21:11] synthasiadale: His face was deathly white and his eyes focused intently on an hourglass before him
[21:11] synthasiadale: And then again I was somewhere else
[21:12] synthasiadale: A dark forest and I'm running sweaty and scared
[21:12] synthasiadale: Around me, nine ghostly white shapes tinged with red are running furiously, right beside me and getting closer by the moment
[21:14] synthasiadale: They are herding me towards something and as they get closer I see their ears, burning red like flames and their eyes, black as the night
[21:15] synthasiadale: And then, somewhere else again, this time the banks of a river
[21:16] synthasiadale: The river is drying up and there are several swans struggling onto the bank
[21:16] synthasiadale: There is a woman standing there playing a musical instrument of some kind, singing a sad song lamenting the river's death
[21:16] synthasiadale: Above her, in the sky are five suns
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[21:17] synthasiadale: One by one each is extinguished
[21:17] synthasiadale: Until only one remains
[21:17] synthasiadale: And then finally
[21:17] synthasiadale: I am on the shore of a small lake
[21:18] synthasiadale: It seems to be modern times and I see people walking along and sitting by the lake
[21:18] synthasiadale: I approach them but no one seems to take notice of me
[21:18] synthasiadale: And then I recognize one of the people
[21:19] synthasiadale: It is Diana
[21:19] synthasiadale: Standing beside the lake with a baby in her arms
[21:19] synthasiadale: She is crying
[21:19] synthasiadale: I try to reach for her but it's like I'm not there
[21:20] synthasiadale: For some reason I close my eyes and when I open them I standing in trees
[21:20] synthasiadale: And Diana is there again, this time with Meaghan as she was shortly before the accident
[21:21] synthasiadale: Meaghan is playing on the ground beside Diana as she talks on her cell phone
[21:21] synthasiadale: I cant hear what she is saying
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[21:22] synthasiadale: Her back is turned slightly to Meaghan and I see someone else, a young thin girl with pale skin walk up to Meaghan
[21:23] synthasiadale: Diana seems oblivious to this girl, who squats down besides Meaghan and says, "My little sister. We have so much in common but different paths to walk."
[21:24] synthasiadale: You will be leaving this world at the same age I came to it, yet we both carry the same burden and promise
[21:24] synthasiadale: With that Diana seems to take notice of the girl and quickly asks her what she is doing
[21:26] synthasiadale: To which the young girl replies, "Without guilt you have betrayed him. Protect your daughter. She will need you soon."
[21:27] synthasiadale: And then I was alone in a small darkened room with this girl with pale skin and large brown eyes
[21:28] synthasiadale: The room was filled with artwork and sculptures and books 
[21:28] synthasiadale: The walls themselves were covered everywhere with symbols and pictures, words and phrases
[21:28] Eulalie6: sarah???
[21:29] synthasiadale: The girl was looking around cautiously, as if afraid
[21:30] synthasiadale: I watched her as she carefully took a brush and did something to the bottom of some paintings, as if signing her name
[21:30] synthasiadale: Next she unwrapped a small object from a cloth
[21:31] synthasiadale: And then another and another until three items were set before her
[21:31] synthasiadale: One was a round disc, if not the same, very similar to the one Wes found
[21:32] synthasiadale: It had symbols on it I couldnt quite make out except for the 7 pointed star in the middle
[21:32] Avrom18: Dale do you remember what the painting looked like or what the name that was signed said?
[21:32] synthasiadale: Next to it was a staff or stick of some sort about eight inches long
[21:33] synthasiadale: Please hold on before asking me questions OK?
[21:33] Avrom18: oksorry
[21:33] synthasiadale: At each end was a stone of some type and entwined around it were vines or leaves I think
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[21:35] synthasiadale: And finally there was a mask of some sort. It seemed to have wings or something coming from the hair and ribbons or threads hanging down around it
[21:36] synthasiadale: After placing the three objects before her, she turned at last to me and said, "You came seeking a way to find that which you have lost."
[21:38] synthasiadale: Like the one before me, I have left a means for you to find the way. You must believe. In belief there is power, more than you can even know.
[21:38] synthasiadale: The nine can move between but have lost their way
[21:39] synthasiadale: Restore them to what they were and you shall be rewarded
[21:40] synthasiadale: And then she said "Veritas Occultum" and repeated it three times
[21:40] synthasiadale: as if to be sure I had heard her right
[21:41] synthasiadale: Finally, she said, when this is done, these three items will call me and the way will again be opened
[21:41] synthasiadale: You will find what you have lost
[21:42] synthasiadale: And that was it, crazy as it sounds
[21:42] Avrom18: wow you have been through a lot
[21:42] synthasiadale: Next thing I knew I was waking up in the ashes of my burned out home, and barely managed to make it over to Sam's house
[21:42] synthasiadale: where i have been since
[21:43] synthasiadale: Now before I get bombarded with questions as to what it all means
[21:44] synthasiadale: I havent had a whole lot of time to research any of the strange parts in the beginning; off the top of my head there's nothing that jumps out at me
[21:44] synthasiadale: Or I should say rings any bells with me
[21:44] BarbarellaNY: lol
[21:45] synthasiadale: But the later parts I definitely have ideas about
[21:45] synthasiadale: Starting with the girl
[21:45] RaynardM: what are your ideas?
[21:45] synthasiadale: As many of you have probably guessed I'm pretty sure it was Sarah Wyatt
[21:46] lirath: Dale, what words/phrases/symbols did you see in Sarah's room?
[21:46] Eulalie6: ok all i HAVE to sleep please post a transcipt
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[21:46] synthasiadale: And I'm pretty certain the paintings she was working on were the ones that Phyllis supposedly found in that old trunk
[21:47] synthasiadale: Just like I think that the disc she made was the one Wes found in the Pine Barrens
[21:48] synthasiadale: And obviously, the Latin phrase she repeated "Veritas Occultum", seems to be taken directly from the manuscript pages from the same trunk
[21:48] KingOHugs: Dale, you said she told you "the nine have lost their way"...any thoughts?  we're guessing these are the guids, yo useem to have the most contact with them...any idea WHAT they need help with?
[21:48] synthasiadale: Keep your questions for just a couple more minutes please and then I'll trey and answer them
[21:49] KingOHugs: of course
[21:49] synthasiadale: Just a couple more things I want to point out
[21:50] synthasiadale: I'm thinking that Sarah is obviously pointing us towards the manuscript page from that trunk and I'm thinking we need to get our hands on it somehow
[21:50] synthasiadale: In the same way it seems that the disc is significant in some way
[21:50] synthasiadale: I sure which Wes hadn't sold it
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[21:51] synthasiadale: Thats why I really want to get into that safe
[21:51] LittleShortGuy99: hello!
[21:51] synthasiadale: To help us track down the disc
[21:52] synthasiadale: But it seems once again, Wes might have been too clever for his own good
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[21:52] vraal1: ah so you've seen his... notes.
[21:52] synthasiadale: Yes of course
[21:53] synthasiadale: But I havent gotten anywhere with it either yet
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[21:53] synthasiadale: The one thing that I wanted to be sure to say is this
[21:54] synthasiadale: I asked the guides for "a way to find my family" and was expecting to be able to see them or talk to them at least, Diana and Meaghan, I mean
[21:55] synthasiadale: Instead, I got again exactly what I asked for - a way to find them only, not Diana and Meaghan themselves
[21:55] synthasiadale: It seems these guides either play by the same rules as "the Wish" or at least share the same twisted sense of humor
[21:56] synthasiadale: I guess what I'm trying to say is be careful in your dealings with them. They seem to have their own agenda in all of this
[21:56] synthasiadale: Now, I know that was way long. Whose got questions for me?
[21:57] BarbarellaNY: Dale
[21:57] lirath: hi dale - can you describe the phrases, words and symbols in Sarah's room?
[21:57] BarbarellaNY: when you first saw Diana with the baby
[21:57] BarbarellaNY: was that Meagan as an infant?
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[21:58] synthasiadale: the first question is tough, the walls, ceilings, floor, etc of the room the girl was in was literally covered with stuff and very dark
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[21:58] synthasiadale: I cant pick anything out of my memory that stands out, sorry
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[21:59] synthasiadale: I'm not sure if the baby Diana was holding was Meaghan, I mean I think so but her back was somewhat turned to me and Diana seemed somehow different to me
[21:59] KyraSplash: Where is Sam? Any ideas yet on how to get Wes back or where he's gone?
[22:00] BarbarellaNY: How different dale
[22:00] synthasiadale: Its strange, the way Diana looked by that lake
[22:00] BarbarellaNY: ?
[22:00] synthasiadale: It wasnt like anytime I can remember her looking since we have been togther
[22:01] synthasiadale: I cant put my finger on any one thing though
[22:01] BarbarellaNY: hmmm
[22:01] synthasiadale: Sam
[22:01] BarbarellaNY: not your memories from when Meaghan was born?
[22:01] synthasiadale: Sam has been doing a little snooping trying to help us solve Wes' safe puzzle
[22:01] Dashcat7: Dale, who do you think the nine are? Are they the Guides? And who are the "numbered ones"
[22:01] synthasiadale: No to your question Barbarella
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[22:02] the42guy: Dale, do you think the nine... give a certain significance to the mystery graffiti?
[22:02] synthasiadale: Dashcat: I dont think the nine are the guides
[22:03] synthasiadale: For some reason I think the guides may be the people in robes on the one side of the hallway i went through
[22:03] Gupfee: was digitalis there?
[22:04] synthasiadale: You have been paying attention :) 
[22:04] Gupfee: we got email from digitalis, a guide, and he said something about the "2nd ring"
[22:04] synthasiadale: One of the figures on that side Im pretty sure was digitalis even though a hood obscured his face somewhat
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[22:04] Gupfee: did all the guides have 6 fingers?
[22:05] synthasiadale: No i dont think so but i couldnt see all their hands
[22:05] RaynardM: on that note, do you remember the "distinctive positions" their hands were in?
[22:05] the42guy: back to the 9 more a second, do you think that could be what the graffiti means?
[22:06] synthasiadale: What I meant by that was that each one had something unusual or different about at least one of their hands
[22:06] KyraSplash: Dale - what is the Human Interface Project? and have you contacted Peter Pfishtrap?
[22:06] synthasiadale: hold on too many questions at once
[22:06] synthasiadale: lol
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[22:06] SilverEyedDevine: ^_^ overwhelmed people i guess 
[22:06] Gupfee: finish up your thoughts about the guides, please
[22:07] synthasiadale: i clearly saw at last one of the figures with six fingers on one hand, another was missing his entire hand
[22:07] BarbarellaNY: what was different about the hands
[22:07] synthasiadale: others had unusual deformities, like hands permanently cramped into fists or claw sjaped forms
[22:07] synthasiadale: shaped*
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[22:08] heartheather73: arthritic hands like the photo at the library
[22:08] synthasiadale: But back to the point, there were more than nine of them
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[22:08] synthasiadale: on that side of the hall
[22:08] SilverEyedDevine: more?
[22:08] synthasiadale: so if they are the guides, which i think they are, they are not the nine
[22:09] the42guy: do you think the dead eyes are the nine and if it has any relevance to the graffiti?
[22:09] synthasiadale: Now someone asked about the numbered ones and the second ring
[22:09] synthasiadale: this actually ties into your question too 42guy
[22:10] the42guy: cool
[22:10] synthasiadale: From the guides message about Wes, I'm assuming the "numbered ones" are the same ones that Wes had been calling the dead eyes
[22:11] synthasiadale: The same people or beings leaving the strange graffiti symbol
[22:11] SilverEyedDevine: the ones all around us?
[22:11] synthasiadale: But again, I think they were the figures on the other side of the hallway from the guides
[22:12] synthasiadale: And there  were more than nine of them I think. I think I counted at least ten there although like I said before they were all dressed slightly differently from each other
[22:13] synthasiadale: And I'm not certain I counted correctly
[22:13] synthasiadale: One thing I noticed though
[22:14] synthasiadale: they all seemed to have the strange ringlike graffiti symbol somewhere on them
[22:14] heartheather73: Dale, I have been in contact with Bruce for over a month now, and he is very worried and upset that you won't answer his calls or email. Is there a reason you are ignoring your once best friend?
[22:15] synthasiadale: Once again, that is a tough question and I'm not sure how to answer it.
[22:16] heartheather73: in what ever way you can. 
[22:16] Sandra ctw: btw, not all of us trust Bruce. 
[22:16] synthasiadale: Let me just go over some facts with you first that may explain what's going on
[22:17] synthasiadale: I have known Bruce for years
[22:17] synthasiadale: We have shared many things
[22:17] synthasiadale: And relied on each other through many tough times
[22:18] synthasiadale: Bruce's face was the first thing I saw when I opened my eyes after the "accident"
[22:18] synthasiadale: But
[22:18] heartheather73: that must have been tough, to hear bad news from your best friend.
[22:18] SilverEyedDevine: ...yeah
[22:18] synthasiadale: When I was in Klepsydra something happened
[22:19] synthasiadale: You know, that mental facility I was in?
[22:19] Sandra ctw: We know.
[22:19] synthasiadale: I reached a point where I realized that, no matter how much I believed in my story, no one else ever would.
[22:20] synthasiadale: Christ, it still sounds crazy even to me :)
[22:20] Avrom18: Dale we recieved a letter from Digitails which mentioned that there is a betrayer that caused Wes to dissapear . Do you have any idea whom this might be?
[22:20] heartheather73: bruce has admitted having a very tough time understanding your version.
[22:20] synthasiadale: So I decided to do whatever I needed to to get out of there
[22:20] heartheather73: but he really wants to talk to you. please send him email.
[22:20] synthasiadale: and prove I was right
[22:20] SilverEyedDevine: it's people like him that riticles other people.. all of us believe you Dale.
[22:20] synthasiadale: Please let me finish
[22:21] Avrom18: sorry dale we will all wait our turn when you give the goahead we will go oneby one 
[22:21] synthasiadale: One day while in Klepsydra I asked the doctors to call Bruce in for a meeting, since he was my legal guardian at that point
[22:22] synthasiadale: In a private room with Bruce I told him that I had come to my senses and realized it was just the trauma I had gone through making me believe those things
[22:23] synthasiadale: And I asked him to get me out of there
[22:23] synthasiadale: He looked me right in my eyes and said "Of course, Dale, that's wonderful."
[22:23] synthasiadale: And then left.
[22:24] synthasiadale: After sitting there a few hours thinking I was going to be released I finally asked the doctors.
[22:24] synthasiadale: They told me Bruce didn't say anything about my change of mental state, and instead asked them how long I could be held
[22:25] SilverEyedDevine: ....evil.. thats completely evil
[22:25] synthasiadale: He refused to take any of my calls the rest of the time I was there after that
[22:25] Sandra ctw: Interesting.
[22:25] SilverEyedDevine: interesting and deceptive... 
[22:25] synthasiadale: It wasnt until you people found the movie clips from the park that the doctors finally agreed to release me
[22:26] synthasiadale: One point in all fairness
[22:26] synthasiadale: Bruce has since told me he did everything out of concern for me
[22:26] synthasiadale: Including keeping me in Klepsydra to keep me away from the Marzano's
[22:27] heartheather73: the Marzanos were after your hide, meaning you harm.
[22:27] synthasiadale: But until I can sit down and look him in the eyes and ask questions, I'm not taking any chances
[22:27] heartheather73: then have a sit down with him.
[22:27] SilverEyedDevine: that doesn't matter, Bruce coulda keep Dale elsewhere... 
[22:27] heartheather73: take Sam with you.
[22:27] Sandra ctw: Mind if we ask him questions? :-) 
[22:27] RaynardM: we assume they still are after you. thoughts on that? have you contacted them? 
[22:28] synthasiadale: My major concern with Bruce right now is exactly that - his connections to the Marzano's
[22:28] heartheather73: he claims YOU brought them to AnonymousFame.
[22:28] synthasiadale: They are definitely still looking for me
[22:28] SilverEyedDevine: i can definately see strong connections there.
[22:29] Sandra ctw: Dale, who brought them in as clients at AF?
[22:29] synthasiadale: Let me just say this, the Marzano's provided the initial funding for AnonymousFame, just like Synthasia. And Bruce brought me into AF after it was started
[22:30] Avrom18: Dale for your information: I am going to speak first than Dash followed by Maggie and than Kyra here is my question
[22:30] Avrom18: Dale we recieved a letter from Digitails which mentioned that there is a betrayer that caused Wes to dissapear . Do you have any idea whom that might be?
[22:30] Sandra ctw: Thank you, Dale. 
[22:31] synthasiadale: I dont know who alerted the dead eyes or numbered ones to the location of my return
[22:31] synthasiadale: For all we know it could be one of you
[22:31] synthasiadale: But we cant live in fear over it
[22:32] synthasiadale: We need to do something to find Wes instead
[22:32] synthasiadale: He seems to almost have anticipated something happening
[22:32] synthasiadale: That's why I think there may be something in his safe besides that notebook he mentioned
[22:32] SilverEyedDevine: yes, he seems to be a very perceptive man
[22:33] KyraSplash: we need him back
[22:33] synthasiadale: He seemed to think he may have found out who the "numbered ones" are
[22:33] synthasiadale: you know, the obscure book reference
[22:33] synthasiadale: Which is why Sam went to poke around the Library records tonight
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[22:34] synthasiadale: to see if Wes had taken out any "obscure" books lately
[22:34] maggiaem: Dale, those of us who have your 13 items are keeping them safe.  Do you have any ideas yet as to how they should be used or what we should be doing with them?
[22:36] synthasiadale: No thats something I'm still puzzled about
[22:36] synthasiadale: I have no idea who could have sent them to Meaghan or why
[22:36] maggiaem: Could it have been Sarah?
[22:37] maggiaem: She *did* call Meaghan 'little sister'...
[22:37] synthasiadale: Thats obviously a possibility; I can only assume they might mean something more as we go
[22:37] KyraSplash: Dale - could you go back a little bit...I was wondering what the Human Interface Project is? and have you contacted Peter Pfishtrap?
[22:37] maggiaem: *hugs* thanks Dale.  We will continue to guard them.
[22:38] synthasiadale: Ah, the Human Interface Project is something I was working on before all this started
[22:39] synthasiadale: Its basically an attempt to create an easy to use human "guide" for websites, business projects etc
[22:39] KyraSplash: that peter guy seems anxious to talk to you
[22:40] synthasiadale: By filming and digitizing a "talking head" and then incorporating into a "chatbot" type program, I was hoping to create an interactive navigation system
[22:40] SilverEyedDevine: and this urgency has been so recent, he seemed to appear out of the blue, and then emailling you the very next day, expressing his concern
[22:41] synthasiadale: you know, as your mosue rolled over certain things the guide would actually speak and explain things to you
[22:41] KyraSplash: good idea dale
[22:41] synthasiadale: I shopped the concept around to several people
[22:41] synthasiadale: Peter (Fishtrap is not his name BTW lol) was very interested in it for a project he was doing
[22:42] synthasiadale: A project that was very interesting in it's own right
[22:42] SilverEyedDevine: any idea why peter may be so concerned about HIP all of a sudden?
[22:43] synthasiadale: But unfortunately I'm under a NDA not to discuss it, that's why he was so upset with people reading my e-mail
[22:43] synthasiadale: I can tell you this though
[22:43] synthasiadale: His project involved an online component that he was interested in using the HIP for
[22:44] synthasiadale: but he was also on some kind of personal timeline for his project
[22:44] synthasiadale: I had kind of promised him I would be working on it by now
[22:44] synthasiadale: But as you know I've been kind of busy
[22:44] synthasiadale: I have a question for all of you before I go (it is getting late, at least here in Jersey)
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[22:44] the42guy: Dale, Sam found a note on your calender that said "Dale" and "Castle Green Rd." - What does that mean?  Who lives there, and where is it?
[22:45] Avrom18: An anonomous member of the group has asked "Do you think that the 13 items relate to a magical or witches circle and could we be expected to use it against the 9"
[22:45] synthasiadale: I'm pretty sure Sam already mentioned in an e-mail that neither of us know the significance of CASTLE GREEN RD
[22:45] synthasiadale: It doesnt seem to be a local address
[22:46] the42guy: why'd you wirte iet down? or did it just appeaR?
[22:46] the42guy: ignore my typos.  :-[
[22:46] synthasiadale: write what down? CASTLE GREEN RD?
[22:46] the42guy: ssorry, wes wrote it down
[22:46] the42guy: right?
[22:46] synthasiadale: I didnt write it down, Wes did. On  his deskpad, yes
[22:47] synthasiadale: Now back to my question
[22:47] the42guy: do you think the capitalization means anything?
[22:47] the42guy: okay, sorry
[22:47] synthasiadale: I dont know
[22:47] the42guy: okay
[22:47] synthasiadale: about the capitals that is
[22:47] the42guy: thank you so much
[22:48] Avrom18: FINAL QUESTION An anonomous member of the group has asked "Do you think that the 13 items relate to a magical or witches circle and could we be expected to use it against the 9"
[22:49] synthasiadale: I dont know what the 13 items are for yet, sorry
[22:49] Avrom18: and you said you had one finalquestion for us what would this be
[22:50] synthasiadale: Has anyone managed to figure out any of the strange symbols on either the manuscript page or the disc Wes found? Some of them seem very familiar but I haven't found exact matches yet, except of course for the seven pointed star
[22:50] synthasiadale: That seems to be a pretty common symbol in fantasy and faery related literature
[22:50] Gupfee: the symbols on the disk are too hard to make out
[22:51] Gupfee: we have never seen a clean image of it
[22:51] heartheather73: the symbols on the front of the manuscript page look an awful lot like the old shorthand that secretaries used when taking dictation.
[22:51] Becca MacT: I think we're in the same boat as far as finding similarities but no matches. But learned a helluva lot in the process:)
[22:51] BarbarellaNY: I keep thinking I have seen some of  the manuscrpt ones, but others don't fit
[22:51] synthasiadale: has anyone found any relevance to the fairy connection?
[22:51] Prettycolors62: I was wondering if it could be a language of angels like enochian sigules
[22:51] heartheather73: and some guy named Colin Penrose has been searching for this manuscript, calling it the "Fourth Book".
[22:51] LittleShortGuy99: also, the writing on the manuscript looks very similar to some old phillipines/indonesian writing
[22:51] Gupfee: would there be anything in your cluesearch material?
[22:51] BarbarellaNY: they are everywhere
[22:52] KyraSplash: any suggestions as to something we can search in CLUESEARCH Dale?
[22:52] Dashcat7: Do you think the nine might have something to do with the 9 sacred trees in Diana's Grove? 
[22:52] synthasiadale: an awful lot of stuff I found while researching before seemed to connect fairies with travelling between worlds and other things we seem to be dealing with
[22:53] BarbarellaNY: yes
[22:53] synthasiadale: I dont remember all the sites I visited during that time however
[22:53] BarbarellaNY:  and the tarot cards you sent out
[22:53] synthasiadale: But the cluesearch engine automatically scans my History caches and adds stuff to its database
[22:53] synthasiadale: there may be something in there that could help
[22:54] KyraSplash: any keywords Dale?
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[22:57] synthasiadale: unfortunately it doesnt work like that; I havent put specific words in there as triggers for you to find
[22:57] synthasiadale: instead it automatically searches anything I find on the net as well as results from Search Engine "spiders" it accesses
[22:57] synthasiadale: If I knew something was particularly relevant I could add it as a trigger
[22:58] synthasiadale: but unfortunately half the time I dont know its important until  later on
[22:58] synthasiadale: after finding other things
[22:58] KyraSplash: thanks Dale.
[22:59] synthasiadale: OK I'm going to go. I'm determined to get into Wes' safe asap. I need to find another way to approach his damn clue
[22:59] BarbarellaNY: Good luck
[22:59] heartheather73: Just try to "Think", Dale.
[22:59] RaynardM: good luck
[22:59] lirath: hand could be 4 - four inches
[22:59] heartheather73: Think like Wes.
[22:59] hcarroll103: Good luck 
[22:59] synthasiadale: Please let me know if you guys come up with anything
[22:59] Avrom18: ok dale thank you for your time
[22:59] KyraSplash: good luck and good night Dale!
[22:59] BarbarellaNY: Have you tried 100 for the flower?
[22:59] LittleShortGuy99: thanks dale
[22:59] tartanwolf2: good night dale and good luck.:-)
[23:00] Avrom18: lets do this again sometime
[23:00] hojo forensic: good luck dale
[23:00] Sandra ctw: Thank you, Dale. Say "hi" to Sam for us. 
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[23:00] the42guy: good luck dale
[23:00] Dashcat7: Goodnite Dale
[23:00] Prettycolors62: good nite dale
[23:00] Prettycolors62: take care
[23:00] BatLady1213: good nite
[23:00] Prettycolors62: sleep sweet
[23:00] synthasiadale: goodnight
[23:00] BarbarellaNY: be careful
[23:00] LittleShortGuy99: lol
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